Active Users:1195 Time:23/11/2024 03:49:48 AM
Re: The To'Raken Cannoli Send a noteboard - 07/04/2010 11:31:47 PM
Did Egwene have any reason to suspect that any of them knew Travelling? Even if she did, it's a big assumption to think she could kill ALL of the raken - for all she knew, by the time she entered the battle, Elaida had already been captured.
I was not endorsing her killing the sisters to prevent the Seanchan from using them, I was approving of her shooting down the enemy's power. Even if they

In terms of the AS becoming damane - they are still held by the Oaths, plus they, well, pretty much suck at combat.
Not the novices and Accepted. And given all else that has been discovered or recovered, how far are you willing to bet the Seanchan cannot find a way aroud the Oaths, or uses for Aes Sedai that allow more combat-capable damane to go to the front. My own personal opinion is that channelers contribute better to warfare away from the front lines of battles. Granted, the way in which the Seanchan use their damane limits most of the support functions at which channelers can be so useful, but they are the most professional and creative military institution in the known world - they can definitely find uses for the restricted damane.
If they heal Seanchan soldiers, I don't think that's such a big deal. And in the timeframe before T'G (I doubt it's more than a month, or two at most) there's little chance that the captive AS would be completely broken to the point they couldn't be "reclaimed" back into the WT. I'd actually go as far as saying their emprisonment could be GOOD for the light - it's not unreasonable to think that Rand and Tuon will form some kind of alliance before the LB, and when they do, they'll have a few hundred extra trained damane who have learned combat weaves and whose Oaths still allow them to kill Shadowspawn. Which, I think you'll agree, is better than them sitting in the tower studying poetry. Their capture doesn't reflect well on Egwene, but her compassion/pity in sparing their lives might make a big difference in the end.
She did not have the luxury of sparing their lives - they were aboard enemy beasts of burden. The to'raken were legitimate targets, regardless of whether or not they also bore captive initiates. Should she let them fly off with their damane burdens, drop them a a nearby staging camp to be transported overland to the Seanchan, while the to'raken return to the Tower for another damane-strafing run or to snatch more captives? Sucks to be the sisters on board, but the Seanchan and their creatures have to go. Since the to'raken are limited in number (does the Return have any breeding stock with them? Any chicks/pups/whatever being trained to replace their losses? All in all, killing the to'raken is a worthy goal in its own right. Whatever the fliers might think, the unique logistical value of the to'raken far outweighs that of the raken, and they are by far the most valuable of the Seanchan exotic creatures, second only to damane. A chance to kill both on the field of battle MUST be seized when presented. It is simply tough luck for any sisters who plunge to their deaths aboard them.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
Reply to message
Did the characters come too easily to power? - 16/03/2010 11:37:31 PM 1850 Views
hehe I think I fell asleep during that read :p *NM* - 17/03/2010 01:12:55 AM 394 Views
Yes, and for Rand at least IMO, playing nice has cost dearly - 17/03/2010 04:59:32 AM 888 Views
Not necessarily - 18/03/2010 03:17:10 PM 835 Views
Good post. - 27/03/2010 01:43:24 PM 700 Views
Unfortunately, no. - 31/03/2010 10:23:58 AM 812 Views
Re: Unfortunately, no. - 02/04/2010 07:54:10 AM 636 Views
All the way through, up to ripping her self-delusional assessments of her "achievements" in KoD - 02/04/2010 09:27:54 PM 722 Views
A shame I missed it, then - 04/04/2010 08:55:40 AM 704 Views
Re: A shame I missed it, then - 10/04/2010 08:17:38 AM 676 Views
Cliffs notes anyone? *NM* - 17/03/2010 05:31:02 AM 1483 Views
TLDR *NM* - 17/03/2010 05:43:01 AM 559 Views
Trolloc luRns da Reeading? - 17/03/2010 08:27:23 AM 850 Views
Too long, didnt read *NM* - 17/03/2010 04:23:34 PM 338 Views
Cmon ppl pls reply to this, Cannoli has spent such a long time writing it.... I couldn't be bothered *NM* - 17/03/2010 10:31:38 AM 360 Views
*NM* - 17/03/2010 10:32:04 AM 369 Views
Re: Did the characters come too easily to power? - 17/03/2010 01:38:02 PM 819 Views
Thank you *NM* - 18/03/2010 03:17:52 PM 445 Views
I agree, very well written and thought out. - 19/03/2010 07:32:59 AM 767 Views
I did read it and it was good - 17/03/2010 02:33:26 PM 703 Views
I agree... *NM* - 17/03/2010 02:48:19 PM 382 Views
That depends on certain interpretations... - 18/03/2010 03:29:15 PM 922 Views
Rand is at the perfect position after TGS for his downfall... - 17/03/2010 02:49:55 PM 793 Views
Re: Rand is at the perfect position after TGS for his downfall... - 17/03/2010 06:15:18 PM 749 Views
I agree - 18/03/2010 03:35:05 PM 856 Views
Strong vs. Hard in other words - 19/03/2010 05:10:41 AM 712 Views
Loooong *NM* - 17/03/2010 03:52:25 PM 404 Views
Look who's talking - look at how you write "long" ! - 18/03/2010 02:06:42 PM 684 Views
Sheesh, you people are babies. I read it. Some good points. - 17/03/2010 05:35:08 PM 764 Views
Re: Sheesh, you people are babies. I read it. Some good points. - 17/03/2010 10:08:34 PM 906 Views
Oh and I forgot to add - 18/03/2010 01:41:28 AM 796 Views
Re: Sheesh, you people are babies. I read it. Some good points. - 18/03/2010 03:37:09 PM 776 Views
I think this is an excellent analysis - 18/03/2010 01:56:33 PM 784 Views
Thanks. *NM* - 18/03/2010 04:28:52 PM 411 Views
While most of this is true... - 19/03/2010 06:47:19 AM 681 Views
Siuan's failure to properly help Rand should motivate Egwene to overthrow...oh, right. Egwene. - 19/03/2010 11:52:10 PM 728 Views
What do you mean by "properly"? - 20/03/2010 07:57:26 AM 699 Views
She did that because the Black Ajah was her personal boogeyman - 20/03/2010 09:58:54 AM 836 Views
Re: The To'Raken - 06/04/2010 06:00:07 AM 743 Views
Re: The To'Raken - 07/04/2010 11:31:47 PM 957 Views
Re: The To'Raken - 09/04/2010 06:22:38 AM 668 Views

Reply to Message