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Re: One last time... Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 31/03/2010 06:20:24 PM
You can either enter TAR in the dream or in the flesh (some can do both). If you enter TAR in the flesh, you are there in the flesh. Slayer/Luc is in TAR in the flesh and thus entered TAR in the flesh before. If you can enter TAR in the flesh, you can naturally do it everywhere in the Real World, similar to leaving TAR at any location. From this ability, obviously given by the DO, and Slayer's apparent profession as hitman/assassin/bounty hunter for the Shadow, one can also deduce the other things, e.g. that Slayer likely killed the BA or the Gray Man.


No, that doesn't follow. You have already stated that Slayer is not a normal Dreamer/Dreamwalker and has abilities that they don't. That you now fall back on the rules that apply to Dreamwalkers as being inviolable to support your point is contradictory.

Nothing necessarily indicates that Slayer is a Dreamwalker. I explained why it makes sense that he went back to Emond's Field, after he was shot. And obviously this also wasn't meant as a clue by RJ to indicate that Slayer is a Dreamwalker, contrary to what Hopper said, because Slayer actually uses TAR in the flesh. You simply interpreted this scene wrongly.


It only makes sense if you fit the evidence to the desired conclusion, not if you try to find the conclusion best suited top the evidence. There is nothing to show that Slayer picked up anything invaluable in his room. There is nothing to show that Slayer travelled any distance at all after being shot by Perrin rather than simply leave the Dream. You only assume these things because you need to in order for your conclusion to be valid. For people who have not already read Winter's Heart, there is no reason to make these assumptions.
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Intuitively obvious, my dear Watson newyorkersedai - 22/03/2010 01:53:54 AM 1932 Views
idle speculation != "Intuitivly obvious" Nargs - 22/03/2010 03:01:10 AM 701 Views
The best explanation for the "intuitively obvious"-comment is... Etzel - 22/03/2010 09:41:32 AM 748 Views
So again...how would Slayer know he was in the hallway? Jeordam - 22/03/2010 03:18:51 PM 831 Views
I think Slayer spied on Asmo Etzel - 22/03/2010 03:45:20 PM 588 Views
Fair enough.... Jeordam - 22/03/2010 06:25:25 PM 855 Views
I think... Etzel - 23/03/2010 09:31:41 AM 683 Views
I agree. Slayer is the most intuitively obvious candidate. *NM* Narg - 22/03/2010 06:29:07 PM 282 Views
Slayer....the book4 minor villian? *NM* Jeordam - 22/03/2010 06:34:52 PM 527 Views
Slayer actually was a major villian in TSR. Etzel - 23/03/2010 09:11:39 AM 560 Views
Re: Slayer actually was a major villian in TSR. darius_sedai - 28/03/2010 07:16:59 PM 611 Views
In my view, Graendal might have sent Slayer, which would explain her knowledge. *NM* Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:45:14 AM 611 Views
Actually that's one of my hang-ups about Slayer too darius_sedai - 06/04/2010 02:27:22 PM 584 Views
As far as I'm concerned... Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 06:42:53 AM 589 Views
The problem is that people don't read the books or at least ignore what is said about Slayer... Etzel - 25/03/2010 09:41:09 AM 589 Views
Correction... Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 05:22:46 PM 531 Views
So, basically... Etzel - 25/03/2010 05:50:42 PM 556 Views
The clues are there? Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 06:29:16 PM 569 Views
Re: The clues are there? newyorkersedai - 26/03/2010 12:51:43 AM 568 Views
He wasn't being insulting, I don't think. Fanatic-Templar - 26/03/2010 02:16:26 AM 620 Views
well, RJ was a nuclear engineer. 'Nuff said about obviousness, huh? newyorkersedai - 26/03/2010 04:38:00 AM 637 Views
Apparently... Etzel - 26/03/2010 08:58:32 AM 588 Views
No it isn't. Fanatic-Templar - 26/03/2010 05:43:02 PM 565 Views
You don't understand... Etzel - 27/03/2010 09:11:35 AM 604 Views
Re: You don't understand... Fanatic-Templar - 27/03/2010 05:23:35 PM 578 Views
Re: You don't understand... newyorkersedai - 28/03/2010 08:17:40 PM 557 Views
Yes, it's Winter's Heart. Fanatic-Templar - 29/03/2010 04:01:41 AM 564 Views
Both merged into one being Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:43:47 AM 610 Views
Not what I asked. Fanatic-Templar - 29/03/2010 06:10:42 PM 547 Views
If he couldn't do this... Etzel - 29/03/2010 06:59:16 PM 575 Views
Re: If he couldn't do this... Fanatic-Templar - 29/03/2010 07:46:39 PM 548 Views
That Basel Gill comparison just silly... Etzel - 29/03/2010 08:49:19 PM 599 Views
Clearly, one of you has proved that Basel Gill is Demandred *NM* newyorkersedai - 29/03/2010 10:12:00 PM 279 Views
I've asked you only one question, repeatedly. Fanatic-Templar - 30/03/2010 12:34:44 AM 621 Views
Yeah, and I repeatedly tried to show you the clues... Etzel - 30/03/2010 09:17:59 AM 554 Views
You have never provided anything even resembling evidence. Fanatic-Templar - 30/03/2010 08:20:54 PM 526 Views
Dude Etzel - 30/03/2010 09:49:05 PM 507 Views
You know what's really embarrassing? Fanatic-Templar - 30/03/2010 10:28:38 PM 655 Views
be nice *NM* saidarisnowtainted - 31/03/2010 01:22:03 AM 269 Views
One last time... Etzel - 31/03/2010 09:18:01 AM 566 Views
Re: One last time... Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 06:20:24 PM 585 Views
No... Etzel - 31/03/2010 06:31:57 PM 573 Views
Re: No... Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 11:43:42 PM 557 Views
So... Etzel - 01/04/2010 10:22:31 AM 547 Views
Re: So... Fanatic-Templar - 01/04/2010 06:41:34 PM 664 Views
Egwene did it though darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 02:26:10 AM 557 Views
Not before Lord of Chaos she didn't. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2010 08:03:12 AM 557 Views
Rand does it in the end of TFoH, though, shortly before Asmo's death. *NM* Etzel - 09/04/2010 08:34:23 AM 278 Views
But we don't actually see that darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 12:23:37 PM 555 Views
But why would he return to his starting point, makes no sense. Etzel - 09/04/2010 12:44:21 PM 617 Views
by your argument Rand should have re-entered the waking world outside to join that battle darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 07:58:26 PM 575 Views
Hmm. True, that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2010 07:28:15 PM 484 Views
I see what you are saying now darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 12:08:00 PM 505 Views
Yep Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2010 07:27:27 PM 521 Views
A question on balefire/2 servants The Angry Druid - 24/03/2010 04:31:49 PM 533 Views
Re: A question on balefire/2 servants TaskmasterJack - 24/03/2010 05:03:32 PM 556 Views
First rule of balefire: Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 06:44:17 AM 522 Views
Re: First rule of balefire: Whatever RJ wants to undo from it is what BF does! darius_sedai - 28/03/2010 06:59:04 PM 518 Views
Yep, that's my understanding too. Gher - 25/03/2010 07:00:39 PM 561 Views
On the servants theory Etzel - 25/03/2010 11:33:08 AM 520 Views
Rand's odd wounds newyorkersedai - 29/03/2010 02:48:58 AM 506 Views
RJ said that special properties of TAR was responsible for the wounds. Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:47:01 AM 523 Views
Who says the Dark One couldn't bring Asmodean back? Why would he want to? Cannoli - 25/03/2010 05:50:55 AM 606 Views
RJ said that. *NM* Etzel - 25/03/2010 09:31:32 AM 495 Views
Do you have that quote handy? darius_sedai - 28/03/2010 07:01:06 PM 532 Views
From memory, but can't find the URL newyorkersedai - 28/03/2010 08:09:29 PM 523 Views
Here: Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:48:36 AM 520 Views
thanks! good job *NM* newyorkersedai - 29/03/2010 10:13:12 PM 246 Views
You dont address all the criteria saidarisnowtainted - 30/03/2010 11:27:58 PM 527 Views
Did you mean me? *NM* newyorkersedai - 31/03/2010 05:54:56 AM 240 Views
@Fanatic-Templar: Proof Slayer can't travel through T'A'R... BlackAdder - 31/03/2010 03:54:19 AM 527 Views
Exactly my point. Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 05:02:41 AM 533 Views
Maybe none of it matters anyway, Slayer will go down like a punk and I know how it goes newyorkersedai - 31/03/2010 05:56:46 AM 573 Views
Lan can swordfight with his boots? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 06:41:53 AM 258 Views
I don't think so... read again *NM* BlackAdder - 31/03/2010 10:54:03 PM 232 Views
Re: Maybe none of it matters anyway, Slayer will go down like a punk and I know how it goes saidarisnowtainted - 31/03/2010 03:52:16 PM 564 Views
thanks! but as soon as I posted newyorkersedai - 01/04/2010 03:43:59 AM 514 Views
Re: Intuitively obvious, my dear Watson saidarisnowtainted - 14/05/2010 01:28:38 AM 570 Views
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