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Both merged into one being Etzel Send a noteboard - 29/03/2010 09:43:47 AM
That there are two ways to enter TAR, either in the sleep or in the flesh. From Hopper we learn that Slayer enters TAR in the flesh due to the DO's powers. Since Luc and Isam are the same person, this person enters TAR in the flesh. There is nothing to support your idea at this time that Luc was basically a Dreamwalker, but Isam's ghost (?) was in TAR "in the flesh". And again, your idea was proven wrong, but you still insist that everybody should have come up with your explanation, how Slayer uses TAR.

There are also other hints, for example it's said in TSR that Fain's Myrddraal fears that Isam might "find" him. This suggests as well that Slayer's job is to hunt, find and kill renegades of the Shadow, apparently using TAR in the flesh to travel (since Myrddraal don't dream).

Besides that, as I pointed out, it's certainly possible to link Slayer to the murder of the BA in TSR (the book where Slayer was introduced as a character), because he is obviously a assassin resource of the Shadow better than a normal Gray Man, as Moiraine puts it. And then you could also deduce that he likely killed the Gray Man in the WT as well.


Nonsense. For one thing, Luc and Isam are clearly not the same person. Luc is a noble of the royal Mantear House of Andor who travelled to the Blight to confront his fate, Isam is a Malkieri lord who was caught by the Shadow as a child. One of these two people are dead.

But back to the point at hand, provide one piece of evidence that Slayer could travel through the real world by using Tel'aran'rhiod before Asmodean's murder. You have tried to equate this with being present 'in the flesh' but that is unfounded, especially given the evidence that he was sleeping in Emond's Field during their battle.


As said several times, Hopper spells it out in TSR. Slayer also hops out of TAR at the Tower of Ghenjei. Fain's Myrddraal thinks that Slayer will find him. Plus, you can link it to the other assassinations in the Stone & the WT. Like RJ said, one could deduce that Slayer uses TAR in the flesh and isn't just some kind of Dreamwalker.
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Intuitively obvious, my dear Watson - 22/03/2010 01:53:54 AM 1790 Views
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You know what's really embarrassing? - 30/03/2010 10:28:38 PM 495 Views
be nice *NM* - 31/03/2010 01:22:03 AM 203 Views
One last time... - 31/03/2010 09:18:01 AM 412 Views
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I see what you are saying now - 09/04/2010 12:08:00 PM 368 Views
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RJ said that. *NM* - 25/03/2010 09:31:32 AM 350 Views
Do you have that quote handy? - 28/03/2010 07:01:06 PM 384 Views
From memory, but can't find the URL - 28/03/2010 08:09:29 PM 368 Views
Here: - 29/03/2010 09:48:36 AM 372 Views
thanks! good job *NM* - 29/03/2010 10:13:12 PM 176 Views
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@Fanatic-Templar: Proof Slayer can't travel through T'A'R... - 31/03/2010 03:54:19 AM 375 Views
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I don't think so... read again *NM* - 31/03/2010 10:54:03 PM 167 Views
Re: Maybe none of it matters anyway, Slayer will go down like a punk and I know how it goes - 31/03/2010 03:52:16 PM 397 Views
thanks! but as soon as I posted - 01/04/2010 03:43:59 AM 373 Views
Re: Intuitively obvious, my dear Watson - 14/05/2010 01:28:38 AM 422 Views

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