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Re: Yeah... Etzel Send a noteboard - 25/03/2010 10:17:40 AM
You just have the feeling that Taim might know how to contact Slayer, but that is no proof at all.

There's no real proof that he's a DF either, but I'd be willing to bet anything that he is. My main reason for thinking Taim is Slayer's patron is that 1, he likely has good contact with the Asha'man and therefore knows where Rand is staying and 2, has a very good reason for hiding who he is, since Slayer may not take orders from him if Slayer didn't think he was one of the Forsaken and the other Forsaken might see Taim as a threat if he is able to order Slayer around. I don't see Aran'gar or Osan'gar being in contact with the Asha'man so I can't see how either of them would know where to send Slayer.


That Taim is a DF is indeed clear from dozens of clues we got. However, just being DF, doesn't mean that you know how to reach Slayer, since it's a privilege.

There were also Forsaken involved with the DF Asha'man, especially Osan'gar, who attacked Rand with them in the end of PoD. It makes also sense that Osan'gar would use a disguise, because he might fear punishment from Moridin as a "Last Chance-Forsaken". On the other hand, Taim already sent the AM without a disguise. Therefore it doesn't really make sense for him to use a disguise when dealing with Slayer, especially if a Forsaken (Moridin?) told him how to reach Slayer to use his services.

Slayer attacked/killed people e.g. in the WT, in TAR, in the Stone and in the Blight, after stalking and spying on them. This is similar to Asmo's end.

Who does Slayer stalk and kill? Yes, he killed a grey man in the Tower, though that was likely either the one Nynaeve had bound or the one left in Sheriam's bed, neither of which was stalked. We've seen him spying on the Wonder Girls, but once spotted he ran, obviously he wasn't there to kill anyone. But none of the kills we know of are anything like Asmo's.


He also killed Janduin for example. Egwene also mentions that Slayer is staking in TAR in LoC, and the BA Temaile in WH. And of course we see Slayer attacking/hunting Perrin, the Wondergirls, Fain before LoC.

It makes no sense that the careful Graendal strolls a few hours after Rahvin's death through some random corridors of the Caemlyn Palace (Rahvin's appartments were where Rand is), especially without a disguise (though she even often wears a MoM, when she is in her own lair). In Sammael's case, Graendal positively knew at least that he had found a stasis box and thus went there. Of course, all these actions of Graendal were not known at the end of TFoH. At this time, Graendal was one of the Forsaken we hardly knew. Finally, balefire wasn't the weapon. RJ's comment about the DO's inability to transmigrate Asmo because of the manner and the location made this clear.

Graendal isn't far from Rand, and hence Rahvin's apartments, it's not like she'd want to go there while Rand is around. The only time she uses MoM in her own lair is when she's meeting people who expect her to be the Lady Basene(if I'm remembering the name correctly) but not on a normal basis. There had to be a number of meetings between the Forsaken that we didn't see, maybe Rahvin had something that made Graendal think his lair might be worth looting. You really want to start with using just what is known at the end of tFoH? Cause really Slayer isn't much of a known quality at that point either. We don't know that he is an assassin, merely an agent of the Shadow, who was apparently a Dreamer. The fact is that RJ was completely wrong about it being intuitively obvious at the time it occured, therefore his comments, unless direct answers, like the one where he said "death took him." is not a play on words to indicate that Moridin took him, are not really viable in this arguement. RJ's comment does not preclude balefire, it may indicate that only a very tiny amount was used, which would normally allow the DO to grab Asmo's soul, and that along with where Asmo died is why the DO couldn't have snagged his soul.


When Graendal & Sammael deal with the Shaido, they also use disguises. Besides that, it would rather fit Graendal's MO to use Compulsion and capture Asmo to get informations, not immediately kill him.

It's really clear before LoC from the Dark Prophecy in TGH, his actions in TSR and the comments about him, that Slayer was "created" by the DO as an assassin or bounty hunter for the Shadow, since he can e.g. use TAR in the flesh and order Shadowspawn.

Regarding the balefire, see above. Slayer's likely poisoned crossbow was simply too fast and too surprising, IMO.

Slayer hasn't proven to be that great of a shot and the poison we've seen him use wasn't fast acting, therefore making it unlikely that Slayer killed Asmo.


Actually Slayer's poison is immediately working in WH, ch.22. As often said, if Slayer didn't manage to shot Perrin or Nynaeve, it's for plot-reasons, not to indicate that he is unable. After all, Luc was trained as a Warder, and Isam probably has super Malkier warrior genes like Lan has.
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