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Yeah... Etzel Send a noteboard - 22/03/2010 10:02:48 AM
It's still just a guess that Taim might know how to reach Slayer, while we know for a fact that all Forsaken have access to him. That makes a Forsaken per se a better suspect for being the patron. The location of the patron's Gateway is really too ambiguous to to be a clue.

True, we only know for sure that the Forsaken and a few other non-channelers can summon Slayer. However, the fact that Slayer believes that it has to be a Forsaken kind of screams to me that it has to be someone else.


You just have the feeling that Taim might know how to contact Slayer, but that is no proof at all.

It's absurd to believe that Slayer is an unsuccessful assassin, since we learn e.g. that the DO, the Forsaken and high-ranking DF regularly use his services. Of course, also a powerful person like Brigitte remarks on Slayer's dangerousness. That Slayer also killed others under similar circumstanzes like Asmo was killed (namey "out of thin air" ) actually speaks for him being Asmo's killer as well. On the other hand, we never saw e.g. Graendal murder someone. We also see Slayer spying on people and it's clear that at least Luc knows the Caemlyn Palace very well (certainly better than any other suspect in Asmo's murder mystery). Probably he spied on Asmo, waited for a good opportunity and when he saw that Asmo would apparently go alone in a certain direction, Slayer simply went there before him to surprise Asmo. If Asmo hadn't opened the door, Slayer had just waited for another opportunity.

How is killing two sleeping people even remotely the same as how Asmo was killed? Slayer's main advantage in being an assassin is being able to get to anywhere, locked jail cells and inn rooms, not random hallways. Both instances the targets were not moving and he was given the info for where they were. To the best of my recollection we've never seen Ishy/Moridin kill anyone either, I guess he's not a threat. If that's really the best argument you have against Graendal, you might want to work on some other things. I'll agree with you that Luc, assuming the merging didn't destroy too many memories, would have a much better understanding of the Palace's layout. However, I would never argue that Graendal went looking for Asmo, I believe it was a chance killing. She was there either working with Rahvin before his death, or she came to loot the Palace after he died as she did Sammael's lair after his death and Asmo accidentally ran into her. She balefires him because she knows it's the only thing that can't be stopped, she reverses the weave which explains why Avi doesn't sense it, and Rand and Rahvin had been using balefire throughout the Palace explaining anyone sensing the residue later.


Slayer attacked/killed people e.g. in the WT, in TAR, in the Stone and in the Blight, after stalking and spying on them. This is similar to Asmo's end.

It makes no sense that the careful Graendal strolls a few hours after Rahvin's death through some random corridors of the Caemlyn Palace (Rahvin's appartments were where Rand is), especially without a disguise (though she even often wears a MoM, when she is in her own lair). In Sammael's case, Graendal positively knew at least that he had found a stasis box and thus went there. Of course, all these actions of Graendal were not known at the end of TFoH. At this time, Graendal was one of the Forsaken we hardly knew. Finally, balefire wasn't the weapon. RJ's comment about the DO's inability to transmigrate Asmo because of the manner and the location made this clear.

Bashere was already quite quick with his knife, but of course didn't actually want to kill Rand. If Slayer had an even faster and deadlier weapon, e.g. a crossbow with a poisoned bolt, it's very likely that Asmo simply wasn't quick enough to protect himself (as said, if Slayer doesn't anyway have special gifts we don't know about yet to e.g. block a channeler's ability for a moment).

In theory, however, Asmo could have at least tried to dodge, tried to channel. He doesn't bother, just as Be'lal can't do anything when Moiraine balefires him. In fact, as I mentioned in another post their final death scenes are quite similar in description.


Regarding the balefire, see above. Slayer's likely poisoned crossbow was simply too fast and too surprising, IMO.
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