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Except with channelers, they don't need to care. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 16/03/2010 06:10:54 PM

You are really exaggerating Else's importance. It's absurd to believe that she would be such crucial at TG, especially since she probably would have needed at least several years yet to become a half-decent Accepted (if she actually managed the test, considering her attitude).

It's not her, it's the fact of her case indicating a wasteful attitude, especially with the end times approaching.

If one follows your logic all channelers could stay in the WT for free, even if they fail the tests to prove that they are worthy and openly demonstrate that they rather spend their time with other things.

Yes. Your point being?

Else didn't manage to reach the Accepted test, because she already proved as a novice beforehand that she isn't really dedicated in becoming an AS. I don't see why the WT should keep such a person around and waste more time & resources to train her, if Else obviously doesn't really care about it. It would be a bad example for all the other novices, too. You certainly also don't want to indicate that e.g. the damane system, where any female channeler is forced to work for the community, is better.

Why not? I am wotmania's biggest advocate of the Seanchan and apologist for the a'dam. And Else was not a prisoner. She was SENT away, not permitted to go home. Once again - THE LAST BATTLE IS APPROACHING! She doesn't need to be promoted, she can be given a special status (THIS is where Egwene's Kin plan or a variation would be useful) that indicates her dead end career, she can be given a job as a servant if she wishes or else used as an ambulatory battery. A human well, as it were. Keep her strength. There are ways for the Tower to send a message to their novices with promise that they do NOT want to imitate Else, especially when girls who came to the Tower after her, start to pass her on the ladder (as Egwene and Nynaeve did). As for her skankiness, let her boink all the Warder students she wants. She just might pop out a channeler or two.

Personally I'm convinced that you really don't need a person in a war, who doesn't care about helping your side, even if this person has some talents.

But that's the beauty of it all. With channeling, unlike intellectual and physical gifts, the channeler does not even have to WANT to cooperate, as the Seanchan demonstrate. Let her care or not care, the amount of saidar flowing from her is still the same. I am not necessarily endorsing keeping a woman against her will, but with the Tower's dwindling numbers and strength in saidar a real concern at the time she was sent away, I can't see how the one Amyrlin to know for sure how close Tarmon Gaidon is can justify sending her off, simply because she lacks the gumption to be a full sister.

Cannoli
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tryn to remember nigelgoboom - 11/03/2010 02:57:27 PM 1063 Views

The last we heard was that Else was sent away from the WT Etzel - 11/03/2010 03:10:50 PM 611 Views

Actually she WAS able, she was just a skank. Cannoli - 11/03/2010 06:44:16 PM 642 Views

The weaknesses in her character disqualified her as an AS. Etzel - 11/03/2010 06:55:45 PM 773 Views

Re: The weaknesses in her character disqualified her as an AS. Datakim - 11/03/2010 07:26:41 PM 544 Views

I really think the good guys have a realistic chance to win TG even without Else's help..

*NM* Etzel - 11/03/2010 07:52:51 PM 513 Views

Re: I really think the good guys have a realistic chance to win TG even without... Datakim - 11/03/2010 09:43:44 PM 598 Views

Or Else had joined the Shadow, who knows. *NM* Etzel - 11/03/2010 09:52:59 PM 392 Views

Yeah, lucky Siuan headed that off, with her good judgment in people *cough making Sheriam MoN cough* *NM* Cannoli - 11/03/2010 10:11:53 PM 351 Views

I don't argue that everything Siuan did was good... Etzel - 12/03/2010 10:05:17 AM 532 Views

And when Egwene alienates the Dragon Reborn or hastily judges situations she doesn't know..? Cannoli - 11/03/2010 10:09:56 PM 714 Views

Granted this was a stupid move... fionwe1987 - 12/03/2010 12:25:37 AM 513 Views

I didn't say she would have done right - she got Siuan out of the way, though. *NM* Cannoli - 12/03/2010 12:55:19 AM 447 Views

That is as useful as inviting Ishaemal to be Amyrlin in place of a Black sister. *NM* fionwe1987 - 12/03/2010 06:43:24 AM 321 Views

The point is... Etzel - 12/03/2010 09:46:48 AM 579 Views

Lifetime service is fun definition of free. Cannoli - 15/03/2010 10:46:03 PM 675 Views

Again... Etzel - 16/03/2010 01:39:45 PM 668 Views

Except with channelers, they don't need to care. Cannoli - 16/03/2010 06:10:54 PM 683 Views

This is just silly Etzel - 16/03/2010 07:09:35 PM 634 Views

You're the one who is silly if you think the One Power can only be useful if channeled by a sister Cannoli - 16/03/2010 11:36:31 PM 655 Views

It's simply the fact... Etzel - 17/03/2010 10:52:03 AM 599 Views

Bah! fionwe1987 - 17/03/2010 10:32:49 PM 611 Views

As far as we know... Etzel - 18/03/2010 09:58:14 AM 665 Views

The decision to send Else away would've been Sheriam's, too. Else was her responsibility, after all Lordling - 11/03/2010 08:18:49 PM 518 Views

Re: tryn to remember Evil_Monkey - 12/03/2010 03:50:12 AM 516 Views

I doubt it Gaidal Craig - 12/03/2010 08:55:54 AM 781 Views

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<quote>You are really exaggerating Else's importance. It's absurd to believe that she would be such crucial at TG, especially since she probably would have needed at least several years yet to become a half-decent Accepted (if she actually managed the test, considering her attitude).</quote> It's not her, it's the fact of her case indicating a wasteful attitude, especially with the end times approaching.

<quote>If one follows your logic all channelers could stay in the WT for free, even if they fail the tests to prove that they are worthy and openly demonstrate that they rather spend their time with other things.</quote> Yes.  Your point being?

<quote> Else didn't manage to reach the Accepted test, because she already proved as a novice beforehand that she isn't really dedicated in becoming an AS. I don't see why the WT should keep such a person around and waste more time & resources to train her, if Else obviously doesn't really care about it. It would be a bad example for all the other novices, too. You certainly also don't want to indicate that e.g. the damane system, where any female channeler is forced to work for the community, is better.</quote> Why not?  I am wotmania's biggest advocate of the Seanchan and apologist for the a'dam.  And Else was not a prisoner.  She was SENT away, not permitted to go home.  Once again - THE LAST BATTLE IS APPROACHING!  She doesn't need to be promoted, she can be given a special status (THIS is where Egwene's Kin plan or a variation would be useful) that indicates her dead end career, she can be given a job as a servant if she wishes or else used as an ambulatory battery.  A human well, as it were.  Keep her strength.  There are ways for the Tower to send a message to their novices with promise that they do NOT want to imitate Else, especially when girls who came to the Tower after her, start to pass her on the ladder (as Egwene and Nynaeve did).  As for her skankiness, let her boink all the Warder students she wants.  She just might pop out a channeler or two.

<quote>Personally I'm convinced that you really don't need a person in a war, who doesn't care about helping your side, even if this person has some talents.</quote>

But that's the beauty of it all.  With channeling, unlike intellectual and physical gifts, the channeler does not even have to WANT to cooperate, as the Seanchan demonstrate.  Let her care or not care, the amount of saidar flowing from her is still the same.  I am not necessarily endorsing keeping a woman against her will, but with the Tower's dwindling numbers and strength in saidar a real concern at the time she was sent away, I can't see how the one Amyrlin to know for sure how close Tarmon Gaidon is can justify sending her off, simply because she lacks the gumption to be a full sister.
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