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Yes, but Shai'tan himself is outside the Pattern. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 08/03/2010 06:23:19 PM
Supposing infinite turnings, when the world was created, it had to extend infinitely in both directions, so that it would have neither beginning nor end. That means that on the very first day of Shai'tan's imprisonment, the Wheel had already turned infinite cycles.

However, that does not give Shai'tan an infinite past of trying to escape the Pattern, because he is outside it.
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sorry, took "evil" too literally and newyorkersedai - 03/03/2010 07:02:01 PM 476 Views
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I have to disagree on one thing, at the very least... Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 01:47:47 AM 537 Views
Re: I have to disagree on one thing, at the very least... car'a'aman - 08/03/2010 12:37:27 PM 482 Views
Yes, but Shai'tan himself is outside the Pattern. Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 06:23:19 PM 482 Views
Re: Yes, but Shai'tan himself is outside the Pattern. car'a'aman - 09/03/2010 01:54:26 PM 466 Views
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faulty assumptions car'a'aman - 10/03/2010 05:05:23 AM 465 Views
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Yes, I said that at the very beginning: *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2010 05:44:19 PM 217 Views
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I don't know if this has any basis in fact... Napoleon62 - 04/03/2010 02:44:26 AM 611 Views
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