Re: It's WoT. You win by surrendering. Metaphysical judo, if you will.
Datakim Send a noteboard - 18/02/2010 03:38:04 AM
I think that the reasons you gave, plus others, are enough evidence to support the idea that he will both bow to Tuon and Bind her to him in the same meeting.
Ofcourse, that begs the question of why bother doing it in the first place. I know there are theories that Rand will kneel, and then do something surprising to bind Tuon, which is why I brought it up.
But really, if Rand has some way of forcing Tuon to obey him (ta'veren, whatever), then he really should have no reason to kneel in the first place. I mean if he is near enough Tuon to kneel, then clearly he is in a position to execute whatever plan he has to bind her. Why would he kneel, and then execute it. To me that would just be RJ/BS taunting us with the false prophecy just for laughts. Poor writing that.
Unless he truly knelt in submission to get her support without tricks. Which as I said earlier, would likely lose him most of his true allies and would certainly not be worth it.
I actually think the order will be reversed - he will convince her to join his alliance, and then bow to her in thanks and to honour the way she has kept her lands safe for the inhabitants (damane aside).
Bowing != Kneeling.
Not to mention that I don't really think Rand should do even that. Like you said when you mentioned the damane, the Seanchan are not exactly a noble society. Better than some to be sure, but horrifically evil to channelers and other slaves. And Rand is a channeler.
He needs them to win yes, but they are not worthy of the respect of Rand bowing to them. I would be disappointed if that happened. Maybe if Tuon changed her mind about the disgusting slavery that her society practises, but not before that.
Will Rand bow to the Crystal Throne?
16/02/2010 07:03:12 PM
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I lean towards somethng like this as a result of the end of tGS.
16/02/2010 08:24:20 PM
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So you think him submitting to the Seanchan is a good thing?
17/02/2010 07:25:13 PM
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It's WoT. You win by surrendering. Metaphysical judo, if you will.
17/02/2010 11:03:22 PM
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Re: It's WoT. You win by surrendering. Metaphysical judo, if you will.
17/02/2010 11:41:11 PM
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Re: It's WoT. You win by surrendering. Metaphysical judo, if you will.
18/02/2010 03:23:39 AM
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Re: It's WoT. You win by surrendering. Metaphysical judo, if you will.
18/02/2010 03:38:04 AM
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Re: It's WoT. You win by surrendering. Metaphysical judo, if you will.
19/02/2010 03:18:35 PM
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Re: I lean towards somethng like this as a result of the end of tGS.
18/02/2010 07:18:44 AM
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Re: I lean towards somethng like this as a result of the end of tGS.
18/02/2010 01:22:49 PM
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Why everyone's loving Seanchan?
18/02/2010 02:41:07 PM
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As I said - all of Randland's political systems have strengths and weaknesses.
18/02/2010 05:46:40 PM
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I've been saying since wotmania that they are no worse than anyone else.
19/02/2010 03:23:22 PM
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Re: I've been saying since wotmania that they are no worse than anyone else.
19/02/2010 06:13:08 PM
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Re: I've been saying since wotmania that they are no worse than anyone else.
19/02/2010 07:37:25 PM
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the entire system of Seekers isn't an abuse of power? Bethamin winds up fleeing due to her fear of
20/02/2010 12:13:52 AM
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No, they're the only group that seems to pay more than lip service to the concept of responsibility
20/02/2010 03:37:58 PM
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You asked for an example of abuse of power. The Seekers are a clear abuse no better than any
20/02/2010 04:42:06 PM
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Thanks for the perspective of outsiders and the behavior of a Darkfriend. THAT's good info!
24/02/2010 01:26:39 PM
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