Yes; but those pieces of evidence basically separate the 2 schools of thought on her "death scene" *NM*
RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 16/02/2010 03:59:41 PM
Sammael is at Graendal's hideout in this chapter and makes some interesting observations...
LoC
Threads Woven of Shadow
It never ceased to amaze him that she chose to remain here in a palace well known across Arad Doman, with civil war and anarchy all around her.
So according to him her palace is well known across AD... compare that to Rand's comments.
TGS
A Force of Light
Among the general Domani populace, Natrin's Barrow has been largely forgotten.
Something of a disconnect. Then there is this other interesting observation Sammael makes about Graendal
LoC
Threads Woven of Shadow
She liked her comforts, and never wanted to expend much effort to keep them, yet this palace was in sight of the Mountains of Mist, and considerable work was necessary to keep the turmoil away from her, to keep anyone from asking where the former owner had gone, along with his family and servants. Sammael would not be surprised if every Domani who visited here left believing that this land had been handed down in her family since the Breaking.
Funny that it took Rand no time at all to discover something odd about Natrin's Barrow...
TGS
A Force of Light
The King fell, but his successors also used the fortress, and it became a popular retreat for the Crown when the King needed relaxation. The practice dwindled during the last hundred years or so, until it was granted to a distant cousin of the King about fifty years back. Their family has used it ever since.
And then there is this final tidbit about Graendal that Sammael gives us...
LoC
Threads Woven of Shadow
She used Compulsion so often like a hammer that one might forget that she could wield the weaker forms of it with great delicacy, twisting a mind’s path so subtly that even the closest examination might miss every trace of her.
Yet her Compulsion of Ramshalan (and Kerb's earlier for that matter) stood out quite obviously...
TGS
A Force of Light
Nynaeve walked over to Ramshalan and looked at him for a moment. She hissed and said, "Yes. Rand, he's under a heavy Compulsion. There are a lot of weaves here. Not as bad as the chandler's apprentice, or maybe just more subtle."
Big discrepancies IMO between information we had been given earlier and what now seems to have taken place in TGS. I'm beginning to wonder if Rand even BF'd the right place!
LoC
Threads Woven of Shadow
It never ceased to amaze him that she chose to remain here in a palace well known across Arad Doman, with civil war and anarchy all around her.
So according to him her palace is well known across AD... compare that to Rand's comments.
TGS
A Force of Light
Among the general Domani populace, Natrin's Barrow has been largely forgotten.
Something of a disconnect. Then there is this other interesting observation Sammael makes about Graendal
LoC
Threads Woven of Shadow
She liked her comforts, and never wanted to expend much effort to keep them, yet this palace was in sight of the Mountains of Mist, and considerable work was necessary to keep the turmoil away from her, to keep anyone from asking where the former owner had gone, along with his family and servants. Sammael would not be surprised if every Domani who visited here left believing that this land had been handed down in her family since the Breaking.
Funny that it took Rand no time at all to discover something odd about Natrin's Barrow...
TGS
A Force of Light
The King fell, but his successors also used the fortress, and it became a popular retreat for the Crown when the King needed relaxation. The practice dwindled during the last hundred years or so, until it was granted to a distant cousin of the King about fifty years back. Their family has used it ever since.
And then there is this final tidbit about Graendal that Sammael gives us...
LoC
Threads Woven of Shadow
She used Compulsion so often like a hammer that one might forget that she could wield the weaker forms of it with great delicacy, twisting a mind’s path so subtly that even the closest examination might miss every trace of her.
Yet her Compulsion of Ramshalan (and Kerb's earlier for that matter) stood out quite obviously...
TGS
A Force of Light
Nynaeve walked over to Ramshalan and looked at him for a moment. She hissed and said, "Yes. Rand, he's under a heavy Compulsion. There are a lot of weaves here. Not as bad as the chandler's apprentice, or maybe just more subtle."
Big discrepancies IMO between information we had been given earlier and what now seems to have taken place in TGS. I'm beginning to wonder if Rand even BF'd the right place!
"Those who think they have no time for bodily exercise will sooner or later have to find time for illness."
Additional clues that something doesn't quite add up in Graendal's death
13/02/2010 03:34:43 PM
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I don't see problems
13/02/2010 06:03:41 PM
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"Well known" and "largely forgotten" are about as opposite as you can get!
13/02/2010 11:44:39 PM
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I don't think so.
14/02/2010 04:28:04 PM
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so now she's been there for the last 50 years?
14/02/2010 05:41:43 PM
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Re: so now she's been there for the last 50 years?
14/02/2010 06:29:32 PM
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you mean the scouts he sent?
14/02/2010 06:52:59 PM
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He used scouts to find the place?
14/02/2010 07:07:16 PM
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Or it could be due to two different authors writing the story and nothing else. *NM*
14/02/2010 12:22:27 AM
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seems like pretty big differences
14/02/2010 12:26:42 AM
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Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael.
14/02/2010 03:45:23 AM
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Re: Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael.
14/02/2010 01:08:38 PM
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Fine, then what if she changed location after Sammael was compromised?
14/02/2010 04:46:52 PM
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Any number of things are possible
14/02/2010 05:45:35 PM
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You don't get it.
14/02/2010 06:10:33 PM
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Go re-read it... I said there are discrepancies between what Sammael said and what Rand said
14/02/2010 06:54:43 PM
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There aren't, really.
14/02/2010 09:56:53 PM
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so you think a kid who has likely never even seen a map knows the name of a castle
14/02/2010 10:09:55 PM
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Two possibilities how Kerb knew the name
15/02/2010 09:04:14 AM
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There are infinite possibilities
15/02/2010 12:48:23 PM
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She's dead, people need to move on. *NM*
14/02/2010 07:34:31 AM
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I acknowledge that it's possible (even likely) that she is dead
14/02/2010 01:09:53 PM
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Graendal is Toast with a capital T. Not possibly dead, not likely dead, 100% gone.
14/02/2010 04:48:09 PM
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The discrepancies are due to the series being over 12 books long...
15/02/2010 08:59:24 PM
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I'm glad...
15/02/2010 10:07:06 PM
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I'm with you on her probably being dead only because it's so close to the end *NM*
16/02/2010 01:30:42 AM
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Why was Kerb highly likely to be delved?
16/02/2010 06:42:37 AM
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I think that I have my names mixed up....
16/02/2010 04:17:46 PM
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Yes; but those pieces of evidence basically separate the 2 schools of thought on her "death scene" *NM*
16/02/2010 03:59:41 PM
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