The "discrepancy" is internal to TGS. Brandon goes and tells us that Natrin's Barrow is famous and a remnant from an earlier era, and tin the days of Arad Doman the fortress was used as a royal country residence until 50 years ago, and then he goes and would have us believe "it's now largely forgotten" by the populace. It's not terribly realistic. Many probably forgot the place was once a royal secondary residence, but not its name or location. It would still be a famous very old fortress deep in the south... but not probably who lives there now, unless that cousin's descendants are well-known people, It would also be on every map of Arad Doman. No cartographer would omit the location of a place like that.
And no way a man like Bashere or his noble officers wouldn't know about a fortress like this deep in Arad Doman.
It's Rand saying "it's been largely forgotten" and going to librarians that overdid it and doesn't fit. Superficially it's very WOT-like, but Jordan himself would not have made a place still used by the Kings of Arad Doman "largely forgotten" merely in 50 years. That's no Manetheren left alone in an isolated area for 2000 years (mind you, everyone but TR folk seemed to know about Manetheren).
OTOH, the back story of Natrin's Barrow fits Sammael's comments very well. It also fits the previous clues about its location and the description of it we had, including in the TGS prologue scene (that features another discrepancy likely introduced because Brandon wanted to give us a taste of the location before chapter 1 when Rand wonders where Graendal is: Graendal is enjoying the sights of the mountains near a window. Earlier on we learned she doesn't like to look at nature outside - nature irritates her - and she doesn't use the rooms of the palace with windows. Another point: she compares Moridin to drawings of Rand. She didn't need drawings of Rand or at least it's odd she mentions them over the fact she saw him with her own eyes when she spied at Sammuel's lair after his downfall. Brandon's research for the Graendal details wasn't very thorough, it seems.).
I don't think it's even a remote possibility that Natrin's Barrow isn't Graendal's palace for real. It's a fairly weird notion. The only way Rand learned of it is from a near miracle. Kerb hated Graendal so much the depths of his destroyd mind still held the name and he was able to speak it before he died. It's no bread crumb Graendal dropped on purpose to fool Rand. And since it isn't, then it's very obviously her real lair... where she very obviously was since she compelled Ramshalanm when he showed up....
And no way a man like Bashere or his noble officers wouldn't know about a fortress like this deep in Arad Doman.
It's Rand saying "it's been largely forgotten" and going to librarians that overdid it and doesn't fit. Superficially it's very WOT-like, but Jordan himself would not have made a place still used by the Kings of Arad Doman "largely forgotten" merely in 50 years. That's no Manetheren left alone in an isolated area for 2000 years (mind you, everyone but TR folk seemed to know about Manetheren).
OTOH, the back story of Natrin's Barrow fits Sammael's comments very well. It also fits the previous clues about its location and the description of it we had, including in the TGS prologue scene (that features another discrepancy likely introduced because Brandon wanted to give us a taste of the location before chapter 1 when Rand wonders where Graendal is: Graendal is enjoying the sights of the mountains near a window. Earlier on we learned she doesn't like to look at nature outside - nature irritates her - and she doesn't use the rooms of the palace with windows. Another point: she compares Moridin to drawings of Rand. She didn't need drawings of Rand or at least it's odd she mentions them over the fact she saw him with her own eyes when she spied at Sammuel's lair after his downfall. Brandon's research for the Graendal details wasn't very thorough, it seems.).
I don't think it's even a remote possibility that Natrin's Barrow isn't Graendal's palace for real. It's a fairly weird notion. The only way Rand learned of it is from a near miracle. Kerb hated Graendal so much the depths of his destroyd mind still held the name and he was able to speak it before he died. It's no bread crumb Graendal dropped on purpose to fool Rand. And since it isn't, then it's very obviously her real lair... where she very obviously was since she compelled Ramshalanm when he showed up....
This message last edited by DomA on 14/02/2010 at 10:19:28 PM
Additional clues that something doesn't quite add up in Graendal's death
13/02/2010 03:34:43 PM
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I don't see problems
13/02/2010 06:03:41 PM
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"Well known" and "largely forgotten" are about as opposite as you can get!
13/02/2010 11:44:39 PM
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I don't think so.
14/02/2010 04:28:04 PM
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so now she's been there for the last 50 years?
14/02/2010 05:41:43 PM
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Re: so now she's been there for the last 50 years?
14/02/2010 06:29:32 PM
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you mean the scouts he sent?
14/02/2010 06:52:59 PM
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He used scouts to find the place?
14/02/2010 07:07:16 PM
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Or it could be due to two different authors writing the story and nothing else. *NM*
14/02/2010 12:22:27 AM
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seems like pretty big differences
14/02/2010 12:26:42 AM
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Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael.
14/02/2010 03:45:23 AM
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Re: Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael.
14/02/2010 01:08:38 PM
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Fine, then what if she changed location after Sammael was compromised?
14/02/2010 04:46:52 PM
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Any number of things are possible
14/02/2010 05:45:35 PM
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You don't get it.
14/02/2010 06:10:33 PM
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Go re-read it... I said there are discrepancies between what Sammael said and what Rand said
14/02/2010 06:54:43 PM
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There aren't, really.
14/02/2010 09:56:53 PM
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so you think a kid who has likely never even seen a map knows the name of a castle
14/02/2010 10:09:55 PM
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Two possibilities how Kerb knew the name
15/02/2010 09:04:14 AM
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There are infinite possibilities
15/02/2010 12:48:23 PM
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She's dead, people need to move on. *NM*
14/02/2010 07:34:31 AM
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I acknowledge that it's possible (even likely) that she is dead
14/02/2010 01:09:53 PM
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Graendal is Toast with a capital T. Not possibly dead, not likely dead, 100% gone.
14/02/2010 04:48:09 PM
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The discrepancies are due to the series being over 12 books long...
15/02/2010 08:59:24 PM
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I'm glad...
15/02/2010 10:07:06 PM
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I'm with you on her probably being dead only because it's so close to the end *NM*
16/02/2010 01:30:42 AM
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Why was Kerb highly likely to be delved?
16/02/2010 06:42:37 AM
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I think that I have my names mixed up....
16/02/2010 04:17:46 PM
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Yes; but those pieces of evidence basically separate the 2 schools of thought on her "death scene" *NM*
16/02/2010 03:59:41 PM
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