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Re: the wise ones. Lord Haart Send a noteboard - 13/02/2010 10:21:55 AM
The Shaido was by far the biggest clan, and I think it had as many Wise ones as at least 4-6 of the other clans. I can't reference this as I don't have the books with me, but that was the impression I got.

At the very least, the Shaido made up 1/3 of Aiel warriors (and all Aiel are warriors) in TFoH/LoC, so I'd not be surprised if there were far fewer channelers than you assume. I'm guessing maybe 1,000 at tops (remember, many can't channel - Perrin's group worked under the assumption that all 500 could, when it was more like half that number).

Also, remember that like the AS, the WO have their own goals and motives. They care nothing for Randland, only that the "remnant of a remnant" is saved, and that it is as large as possible. Even Avihenda puts this goal above almost everything else.

Similarly, the Sea Folk are tied to the seas. Only the Kin, AS and AM are tied to Randland, and have a vested interest in keeping it intact and safe beyond winning TG. The AM are divided between Rand and Taim, and the Kin have not yet shown leadership or political ties, nor weaves of warfare (though as you say, gateways can count for a lot in that regard).

So yes, I agree that especially since TDR (or around then), we've slowly had our esteem of the WT chipped away at (and with good cause). But there is still massive potential for good there, and uniting the tower was the first step in reaching that potential. Egwene has a LONG way to go if the AS are to become truly useful to Randland, but without Egwene as Amyrlin they were heading towards Mesaana's vision of a tower which unknowingly served the DO. Elaida certainly caused Rand substantial troubles (distrust of female channelers [even Cadsuane and Nynaeve], issues [as of yet, not entirely explained] in the BT, not to mention nearly delivering him into the hands of Mesaana herself).

Egwene can still botch things up, but if she plays her cards right, the Tower could play a crucial role in TG. Think of Min's vision of specks of light being swallowed by blackness - Rand will need EVERYONE he can get.
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So what was the point of the White Tower struggle? - 07/02/2010 04:41:58 AM 1854 Views
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Re: the wise ones. - 13/02/2010 10:21:55 AM 500 Views
They're not the biggest clan... - 13/02/2010 02:20:38 PM 625 Views
Thank you - 15/02/2010 01:24:05 PM 699 Views
No problem. *NM* - 15/02/2010 09:05:11 PM 247 Views
Re: So what was the point of the White Tower struggle? - 07/02/2010 06:14:31 PM 701 Views
Re: The point was that Rand needed the division. - 07/02/2010 08:34:10 PM 649 Views
small disagreement - 07/02/2010 08:42:07 PM 591 Views
Re: small disagreement - 08/02/2010 04:37:03 AM 526 Views
Egwene and Siuan have noted that there are plenty of the new Novices - 15/02/2010 04:22:35 PM 594 Views
For that matter, what is the point of Andor? - 08/02/2010 06:08:32 AM 648 Views
Re: For that matter, what is the point of Andor? - 08/02/2010 03:38:54 PM 598 Views
Especially true if - 08/02/2010 07:16:04 PM 559 Views
But Tar Valon is critical too. - 08/02/2010 07:41:43 PM 611 Views
Really? - 10/02/2010 05:30:02 AM 525 Views
Three women in a boat... - 10/02/2010 09:12:41 PM 573 Views
Nothing is ever given as a location for that boat that I recall. - 11/02/2010 11:54:39 PM 515 Views
So what? This is more or less true, but it has zero relevance to the issue of the Tower. - 10/02/2010 10:13:56 PM 650 Views
Re: So what? This is more or less true, but it has zero relevance to the issue of the Tower. - 12/02/2010 12:43:19 AM 693 Views
In this, I agree with Fionwe. - 13/02/2010 10:31:07 AM 537 Views
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Some good points, but I still disagree. - 15/02/2010 06:30:50 PM 583 Views
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my thoughts - 09/02/2010 12:58:30 PM 758 Views
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I can't say I agree with the use of the term "padding". - 17/02/2010 06:07:25 PM 516 Views
Re: I can't say I agree with the use of the term "padding". - 22/02/2010 11:05:44 PM 580 Views
To unite the Tower under competent leadership, of course. - 23/02/2010 04:55:02 AM 1032 Views
Does a main plotline HAVE to help defeat the DO? - 26/02/2010 04:11:30 PM 699 Views

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