Rand can certainly be domineering, but nowhere near as much as Egwene.
Lord Haart Send a noteboard - 13/02/2010 06:31:15 AM
But mostly, Rand's challenges are pretty huge (Forsaken, wars and the DO), whereas Egwene has basically tricked a bunch of old ladies. To her credit, I think she's been doing the right thing, but RJ and Sanderson just made her struggle too easy (mentally and emotionally that is: because she more or less ignores pain, it doesn't appear so severe. She never went through quite as much as Rand did, though her time in the cramped prison cell was good in that regard).
To be precise, I felt a bit like her struggle was forced into a weaker parallel of Rand's. Personal pain and torment, gathering allies, overthrowing the corrupt rulers, and applying her own sense of justice to situations rather than following the letter of the law.
I did love Elaida's character, she was well written as far as insane rulers go. Reminded me of Denethor from LotR, too strong to bend to the Shadow but too inflexible and weak to see how to effectively fight it.
To be precise, I felt a bit like her struggle was forced into a weaker parallel of Rand's. Personal pain and torment, gathering allies, overthrowing the corrupt rulers, and applying her own sense of justice to situations rather than following the letter of the law.
I did love Elaida's character, she was well written as far as insane rulers go. Reminded me of Denethor from LotR, too strong to bend to the Shadow but too inflexible and weak to see how to effectively fight it.
I was wrong about Egwene.
06/02/2010 09:46:43 AM
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BTW, I am the god of Irony. Bow to me. *NM*
06/02/2010 09:47:20 AM
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I think that if there's a real message to take out of this
06/02/2010 02:55:47 PM
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yes she's politically shrewd if completely amoral
06/02/2010 05:03:19 PM
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Re: yes she's politically shrewd if completely amoral
06/02/2010 06:08:40 PM
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In her defense, she has no way of getting in contact with him
06/02/2010 11:28:37 PM
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Re: In her defense, she has no way of getting in contact with him
06/02/2010 11:47:04 PM
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Re: In her defense, she has no way of getting in contact with him
07/02/2010 02:43:13 AM
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Re: In her defense, she has no way of getting in contact with him
07/02/2010 11:13:39 PM
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It really is her most defining quality
06/02/2010 06:27:17 PM
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That was nothing.
06/02/2010 08:48:39 PM
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The only mitigating factor was that she had already dumped Rand at that time
06/02/2010 11:34:45 PM
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Re: The only mitigating factor was that she had already dumped Rand at that time
06/02/2010 11:51:48 PM
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There was a nice beginning - "Cannoli: I was wrong about Egwene"...
06/02/2010 06:42:18 PM
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A point to understand about Egwene as a ruler... (Incoming wall'o'text...
07/02/2010 06:43:43 PM
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Sure, way to convince me. Compare her to two of the most despicable Anglophonic rulers in history
08/02/2010 05:18:55 AM
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I like Egwene.
08/02/2010 10:22:14 AM
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And the greater good always conveniently requires her being in charge or getting more power *NM*
12/02/2010 12:19:05 AM
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Yes, just like for Rand. *NM*
12/02/2010 12:24:57 AM
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Re: Rand goes out of his way to discarge authority to others; Egwene, well hopefully in the future *NM*
13/02/2010 04:20:31 AM
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Ummm... what? When? *NM*
13/02/2010 04:53:50 AM
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Like his Stewards & supporting loyal rulers. *NM*
15/02/2010 02:30:32 PM
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Darlin, Caroline, Elayne, Ituralde, Bashere, Logain, Rhuarc, etc.
15/02/2010 05:57:05 PM
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Oh you mean all those guys he treats like his personal b*tches? *NM*
15/02/2010 06:10:17 PM
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Re: Oh you mean all those guys he treats like his personal b*tches?
16/02/2010 08:10:02 PM
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Well, Egwene has lackeys too!
15/02/2010 08:12:17 PM
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Re: Well, Egwene has lackeys too!
15/02/2010 10:37:50 PM
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And she does not delegate to them. And no, sorting out rank among minions is not delegating power
15/02/2010 11:00:03 PM
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Rand can certainly be domineering, but nowhere near as much as Egwene.
13/02/2010 06:31:15 AM
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right, because she's threatened to hang people who disobey, or bodily thrown people out of her rooms
15/02/2010 06:11:18 PM
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She's in a different environment. What serious challenge has she faced?
15/02/2010 06:54:53 PM
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people like her in real life are not likeable, but they are necessary in society.
08/02/2010 09:55:35 PM
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