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Re: YES!! The SPLIT is important. So why is ENDING the split such a necessary goal? brett014 Send a noteboard - 08/02/2010 02:43:48 PM


This was the obvious reason for the split. My point for this post is, why was it so necessary to knit this organization back together under "good" leadership? This is not really any more important than many of the other sideline plots, and probably less important than most. The Tower struggle is only important for those personally involved, like the deaths of Perrin's family. Sure it matters a lot to the people concerned, but it is not very significant in the big picture.



I don't agree with that at all. Are you saying that a Tower divided has just as much meaning as the Tower whole? That is not even close to reality. The Tower whole is a force to be reckoned with by anyone, including Rand and the Black Tower. The Tower split was critical to the story because it prodded Rand in the direction the pattern needed him to go. Without the split atleast 1/2 of the important points in the whole series would have never happened (cleansing, Elayne in Andor, Perrin becoming a leader, the Seanchen would have never gained such a large foothold, the black tower would not exist, male channelers would not be around, healing of stilling, to just name a few). The tower struggle is one of the keys to the entire series, without it most things lose importance.
But why is it so important that Egwene win? Why is it so important that this so-useful circumstance come to an end? How does mending the Tower change things enough to be a crucial and vital factor in the small bit of story left? No more than approximately a book and a half of time remains for the reunited Tower to do its part, and what can it do in that time than makes Egwene's victory a crucial issue? If there is nothing really important left for it to do, Egwene's victory is one of those "for the future" issues, like the establishment of the school in Caemlyn, or the Seanchan abolition movement.



Lets see... what can 600-700 full Aes Sedai and 1000's of other channelers do? They could form an alliance with Rand and turn back the hordes of trollocs. The Tower united under Egwene will be critical because she can work with Rand to help defeat the Dark One. Also by being united she can defeat the Seanchen or atleast push them back to keep them from conquering everything while Rand is busy elsewhere. The tower united is definitly one of those "for the future" issues, but it is also critical to the here and now in the story
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So what was the point of the White Tower struggle? Cannoli - 07/02/2010 04:41:58 AM 1857 Views
The Tower will likely have some sort of "badass army" moment at the end... or, they'd BETTER beetnemesis - 07/02/2010 06:46:51 AM 725 Views
Re: The Tower will likely have some sort of "badass army" moment at the end... or, they'd BETTER lyringlas - 08/02/2010 05:43:52 PM 597 Views
I think the breaking of the tower was.... brett014 - 07/02/2010 07:55:48 AM 803 Views
Nice idea, that does seem to make sense in hindsight. Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:18:35 PM 599 Views
Yes, but that isn't the point. Cannoli - 08/02/2010 04:14:32 AM 683 Views
Re: Yes, but that isn't the point. brett014 - 08/02/2010 04:40:52 AM 667 Views
YES!! The SPLIT is important. So why is ENDING the split such a necessary goal? Cannoli - 08/02/2010 04:55:46 AM 592 Views
Re: YES!! The SPLIT is important. So why is ENDING the split such a necessary goal? brett014 - 08/02/2010 02:43:48 PM 692 Views
Re: YES!! The SPLIT is important. So why is ENDING the split such a necessary goal? Cannoli - 10/02/2010 09:49:59 PM 658 Views
Re: the wise ones. Lord Haart - 13/02/2010 10:21:55 AM 502 Views
They're not the biggest clan... fionwe1987 - 13/02/2010 02:20:38 PM 627 Views
Thank you Cannoli - 15/02/2010 01:24:05 PM 701 Views
No problem. *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/02/2010 09:05:11 PM 247 Views
Re: So what was the point of the White Tower struggle? Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:14:31 PM 705 Views
Re: The point was that Rand needed the division. Watcher - 07/02/2010 08:34:10 PM 653 Views
small disagreement darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 08:42:07 PM 595 Views
Re: small disagreement Cannoli - 08/02/2010 04:37:03 AM 528 Views
Egwene and Siuan have noted that there are plenty of the new Novices darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 04:22:35 PM 596 Views
Re: So what was the point of the White Tower struggle? Cannoli - 08/02/2010 04:34:52 AM 739 Views
Re: So what was the point of the White Tower struggle? Lord Haart - 08/02/2010 06:56:01 AM 606 Views
Such a resolution could have been a minor plot point like settling Tear or Cairhien Cannoli - 11/02/2010 11:53:41 PM 655 Views
Re: Such a resolution could have been a minor plot point like settling Tear or Cairhien Lord Haart - 13/02/2010 10:45:06 AM 670 Views
Re: So what was the point of the White Tower struggle? fairfax - 07/02/2010 10:42:27 PM 557 Views
These are reasons why the SPLIT is necessary. I was not questioning that. Cannoli - 08/02/2010 04:50:11 AM 739 Views
Re: These are reasons why the SPLIT is necessary. I was not questioning that. fairfax - 08/02/2010 05:47:36 AM 611 Views
Re: These are reasons why the SPLIT is necessary. I was not questioning that. orius - 13/02/2010 09:33:04 AM 486 Views
For that matter, what is the point of Andor? fionwe1987 - 08/02/2010 06:08:32 AM 651 Views
Re: For that matter, what is the point of Andor? brett014 - 08/02/2010 03:38:54 PM 599 Views
Especially true if Lord Haart - 08/02/2010 07:16:04 PM 563 Views
But Tar Valon is critical too. fionwe1987 - 08/02/2010 07:41:43 PM 613 Views
Really? Rurouni_Kenshin - 10/02/2010 05:30:02 AM 529 Views
Three women in a boat... fionwe1987 - 10/02/2010 09:12:41 PM 576 Views
Nothing is ever given as a location for that boat that I recall. Cannoli - 11/02/2010 11:54:39 PM 516 Views
So what? This is more or less true, but it has zero relevance to the issue of the Tower. Cannoli - 10/02/2010 10:13:56 PM 655 Views
Re: So what? This is more or less true, but it has zero relevance to the issue of the Tower. fionwe1987 - 12/02/2010 12:43:19 AM 696 Views
In this, I agree with Fionwe. Lord Haart - 13/02/2010 10:31:07 AM 539 Views
Re: So what? This is more or less true, but it has zero relevance to the issue of the Tower. Cannoli - 15/02/2010 02:23:57 PM 682 Views
Some good points, but I still disagree. Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 06:30:50 PM 585 Views
fionwe1987 - 15/02/2010 10:08:48 PM 657 Views
my thoughts Yunalesca - 09/02/2010 12:58:30 PM 761 Views
Belief and order give strength. Gher - 10/02/2010 11:20:01 PM 592 Views
To pad the last few books in order to make Egwene the Amyrlin. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/02/2010 05:25:22 PM 552 Views
I can't say I agree with the use of the term "padding". Lord Haart - 17/02/2010 06:07:25 PM 520 Views
Re: I can't say I agree with the use of the term "padding". RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/02/2010 11:05:44 PM 582 Views
To unite the Tower under competent leadership, of course. JasonD - 23/02/2010 04:55:02 AM 1035 Views
Does a main plotline HAVE to help defeat the DO? car'a'aman - 26/02/2010 04:11:30 PM 703 Views
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