It's a lone example contested by many other examples
Sidious Send a noteboard - 07/02/2010 09:53:51 AM
Nynaeve and Rand aren't very informed or skilled channelers. They generally learn a few essential weaves and throw everything they have at their enemies. It usually works too.
Moghedien could barely hold back Nynaeve's attacks. Egwene would be smothered. If she wanted to win she'd need to attack first and get Nynaeve on the back foot and rapidly overwhelm her. Once the tables turned, it would be over quickly.
If it was that easy there would be no weak channelers left at all ... and we've already seen Nynaeve have trouble shielding Elayne when she's not full paying attention.
Even if you just look at the cleansing, then Cyndane is an isolated example. Demandred, Aran'gar and Graendal were overwhelmed by circles of lesser skill and similar force.
Battle and dueling are areas where finesse with the Power counts the least. It's mostly about beating up your opponent as quickly as possible.
Egwene's ability to split her flows 14 ways is possibly the most irrelevant thing you could mention regarding her ability to fight Nynaeve. Almost without exception, channelers place their whole potential into a single flow when they're fighting one another. Cyndane even sees how Alivia put her whole strength into a flow which she managed to slice. Do you really think Egwene would start with fancy weaving if Nynaeve sent this sort of assault after her. It was the same with Graendal's attack at the cleansing, and Flinn's.
Even more poignantly, Rand says that he can split his flows a dozen ways or more, but against Lanfear's attacks he needs to put all his power into a single weave strong enough to defend himself.
You can say what you like, but almost without exception, dueling in the series has demonstrated that channelers prefer to crush one another quickly with power. Skill is valuable in any field, but Nynaeve and Rand have managed to overwhelm huge skill by placing their opponents on their back feet and arm wrestling them. Essentially this is all dueling with the Power is in most cases. If a channeler has multiple flows toying around with complex weaves, she's about to lose or is dueling a much weaker opponent where she has that luxury. Winning duelists throw their might at their opponents, try to finish it quickly and don't mess around with complexities - the series has shown that all too well. Even the Forsaken with all their skill and knowledge reduce their dueling to weaves that Aes Sedai and Ash'aman could duplicate i.e. fireballs, shielding, lightning.
Egwene is not superior to Nynaeve in the way that Cyndane was superior to Alivia. Nynaeve may be less skilled than Egwene, but she still has a deadly arsenal at her disposal, is a veteran duelist, and is rabid in her desire to defeat someone once she considers them to be an enemy. To say that Egwene would 'wipe the floor' with Nynaeve is kind of funny. At best it would be an equal fight, and Egwene would have to be very skilled indeed.
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This message last edited by Sidious on 07/02/2010 at 10:04:57 AM
Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right!
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04/02/2010 10:38:01 PM
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Gawyn. *chokes back the vomit that rushes up his throat*
04/02/2010 10:53:37 PM
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There there
04/02/2010 11:15:00 PM
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Huh? He was even WORSE in TGS.
05/02/2010 05:14:16 AM
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It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win.
04/02/2010 11:15:19 PM
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Gawyn is incredibly irritating
05/02/2010 01:55:40 AM
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No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true.
05/02/2010 10:21:45 PM
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Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true.
05/02/2010 10:44:47 PM
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Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true.
05/02/2010 11:53:18 PM
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Perhaps the key is that Gawyn is an even more simplistic thinker than Galad.
06/02/2010 06:20:06 AM
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Again, what? When?
06/02/2010 08:08:47 AM
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Well, the fact that he's had access to one of the best educations in Randland
06/02/2010 09:22:28 AM
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Completely different subjects, and pretty insignificant, really. *NM*
06/02/2010 06:44:35 PM
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Re: Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right!
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05/02/2010 04:27:16 AM
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Add Nynaeve and Egwene to the fight, that's something worth seeing then.
05/02/2010 05:20:53 AM
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Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass
05/02/2010 04:55:51 PM
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I agree.
05/02/2010 05:10:34 PM
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Re: I agree.
05/02/2010 05:25:52 PM
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You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD.
05/02/2010 07:41:28 PM
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Re: You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD.
05/02/2010 09:42:32 PM
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I just mentioned it since you said Egwene had more combat experience.
06/02/2010 06:21:38 AM
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Re: Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass
05/02/2010 07:49:27 PM
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yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test
05/02/2010 09:41:09 PM
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Re: yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test
05/02/2010 10:00:11 PM
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That's not what RJ said. He said Nynaeve would be a little hard pressed
05/02/2010 10:18:42 PM
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she might be a little hard pressed to pass a test she should pass without thought!
06/02/2010 05:56:38 PM
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Moiraine was hard pressed to pass, and she practiced for ages and is the #1 Battle AS.
06/02/2010 08:27:26 PM
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she passed pretty easily IMO
06/02/2010 09:12:13 PM
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Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way.
07/02/2010 01:40:45 AM
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Re: Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way.
07/02/2010 01:52:40 AM
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Yes, but choosing the time to attack is part of how good a fighter someone is.
07/02/2010 06:30:55 PM
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The test for the Shawl has little to nothing to do with channeling, you know this right? *NM*
05/02/2010 10:23:16 PM
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of course it does
06/02/2010 05:48:41 PM
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That's not how it happens in New Spring.
06/02/2010 07:00:52 PM
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that's because Moiraine trained and is relatively skilled (for AS)
06/02/2010 07:34:05 PM
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That's nonsensical.
06/02/2010 09:02:13 PM
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It's what RJ said ... "too much specialization"
06/02/2010 09:14:38 PM
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About splitting weaves 14 ways
05/02/2010 10:55:28 PM
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Re: About splitting weaves 14 ways
05/02/2010 11:08:50 PM
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Can you provide that quote?
06/02/2010 07:34:49 PM
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Re: Can you provide that quote?
06/02/2010 08:19:08 PM
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Yup, plus those were complex weaves that may have required multiple flows.
06/02/2010 08:30:52 PM
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there is nothing to say that multiple weaves are involved.
06/02/2010 09:16:29 PM
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That's the nature on the weaving.
06/02/2010 09:24:39 PM
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Not really
06/02/2010 10:46:52 PM
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Yes, really
06/02/2010 10:55:22 PM
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Re: Yes, really
06/02/2010 11:29:17 PM
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Re: Yes, really
06/02/2010 11:48:14 PM
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Re: Yes, really
07/02/2010 12:18:12 AM
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Re: Yes, really
07/02/2010 01:46:14 AM
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Re: Can you provide that quote?
06/02/2010 10:14:24 PM
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1 Blossom = 1 Weave ... there is nothing to say that each thread requires splitting flows
06/02/2010 10:48:11 PM
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Fine, I used the word weave when I should have used flow. 36 flows to create 12 weaves. *NM*
06/02/2010 10:57:09 PM
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IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill
06/02/2010 09:01:23 AM
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so you've learned nothing from Cyndane v. Alivia.
06/02/2010 05:45:19 PM
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It's a lone example contested by many other examples
07/02/2010 09:53:51 AM
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the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien
07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM
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Re: the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien
07/02/2010 04:25:57 PM
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from RJs lips to your ears ...
07/02/2010 06:55:27 PM
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Re: from RJs lips to your ears ...
07/02/2010 08:04:57 PM
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Re: from RJs lips to your ears ...
07/02/2010 08:20:31 PM
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... but I can't let this one go...
07/02/2010 11:09:04 PM
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Hmm...
07/02/2010 11:05:00 PM
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if you had points worth responding too I would ... as always you fall back on pretending you are RJ
07/02/2010 11:07:37 PM
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i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you *NM*
07/02/2010 11:11:55 PM
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Re: i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you
07/02/2010 11:18:49 PM
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Yeah, what's a couple of fights with a Forsaken?
How's Egwene without her sa'angreal crutch?
05/02/2010 11:40:13 PM
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I disagree
06/02/2010 05:30:40 AM
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Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear
06/02/2010 05:46:27 PM
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Re: Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear
06/02/2010 08:23:20 PM
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she got hit with a pain weave before she did a damn thing
06/02/2010 09:21:11 PM
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On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing...
06/02/2010 10:43:43 PM
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Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing...
06/02/2010 11:12:27 PM
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Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing...
07/02/2010 08:02:40 AM
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but whoever wins
05/02/2010 04:54:52 AM
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*nods* That's cuz ...
05/02/2010 05:26:57 AM
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I actually think Lan would win
05/02/2010 04:57:24 PM
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Agreed
05/02/2010 08:22:26 PM
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If it was for "real" Lan wins, in practice ... Gawyn could be the superior *NM*
05/02/2010 09:43:20 PM
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I think Lan, hands down.
05/02/2010 03:30:20 PM
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THANK you.
05/02/2010 11:41:43 PM
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You forgot that the Warder Matched Lan A LONG time ago. Lan stopped sparring.
05/02/2010 08:42:49 PM
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According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once...
06/02/2010 08:55:50 AM
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Huh ....
06/02/2010 06:23:10 PM
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Re: According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once...
06/02/2010 06:28:15 PM
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If Gawyn is the best because he defeated two Warders, what about Rand?
06/02/2010 09:15:34 PM
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