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It's a lone example contested by many other examples Sidious Send a noteboard - 07/02/2010 09:53:51 AM

Nynaeve and Rand aren't very informed or skilled channelers. They generally learn a few essential weaves and throw everything they have at their enemies. It usually works too.

Moghedien could barely hold back Nynaeve's attacks. Egwene would be smothered. If she wanted to win she'd need to attack first and get Nynaeve on the back foot and rapidly overwhelm her. Once the tables turned, it would be over quickly.


If it was that easy there would be no weak channelers left at all ... and we've already seen Nynaeve have trouble shielding Elayne when she's not full paying attention.


Even if you just look at the cleansing, then Cyndane is an isolated example. Demandred, Aran'gar and Graendal were overwhelmed by circles of lesser skill and similar force.

Battle and dueling are areas where finesse with the Power counts the least. It's mostly about beating up your opponent as quickly as possible.

Egwene's ability to split her flows 14 ways is possibly the most irrelevant thing you could mention regarding her ability to fight Nynaeve. Almost without exception, channelers place their whole potential into a single flow when they're fighting one another. Cyndane even sees how Alivia put her whole strength into a flow which she managed to slice. Do you really think Egwene would start with fancy weaving if Nynaeve sent this sort of assault after her. It was the same with Graendal's attack at the cleansing, and Flinn's.

Even more poignantly, Rand says that he can split his flows a dozen ways or more, but against Lanfear's attacks he needs to put all his power into a single weave strong enough to defend himself.

You can say what you like, but almost without exception, dueling in the series has demonstrated that channelers prefer to crush one another quickly with power. Skill is valuable in any field, but Nynaeve and Rand have managed to overwhelm huge skill by placing their opponents on their back feet and arm wrestling them. Essentially this is all dueling with the Power is in most cases. If a channeler has multiple flows toying around with complex weaves, she's about to lose or is dueling a much weaker opponent where she has that luxury. Winning duelists throw their might at their opponents, try to finish it quickly and don't mess around with complexities - the series has shown that all too well. Even the Forsaken with all their skill and knowledge reduce their dueling to weaves that Aes Sedai and Ash'aman could duplicate i.e. fireballs, shielding, lightning.

Egwene is not superior to Nynaeve in the way that Cyndane was superior to Alivia. Nynaeve may be less skilled than Egwene, but she still has a deadly arsenal at her disposal, is a veteran duelist, and is rabid in her desire to defeat someone once she considers them to be an enemy. To say that Egwene would 'wipe the floor' with Nynaeve is kind of funny. At best it would be an equal fight, and Egwene would have to be very skilled indeed.
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Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) - 04/02/2010 10:38:01 PM 2727 Views
Gawyn. *chokes back the vomit that rushes up his throat* - 04/02/2010 10:53:37 PM 1493 Views
There there - 04/02/2010 11:15:00 PM 1392 Views
Huh? He was even WORSE in TGS. - 05/02/2010 05:14:16 AM 1268 Views
I dunno. He actaully DID stuff this time - 05/02/2010 05:24:48 AM 1337 Views
I agree he was much better than before - 05/02/2010 04:39:33 PM 1220 Views
It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. - 04/02/2010 11:15:19 PM 1395 Views
Re: It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. - 05/02/2010 01:13:52 AM 1329 Views
Gawyn is incredibly irritating - 05/02/2010 01:55:40 AM 1343 Views
No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 10:21:45 PM 1254 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 10:44:47 PM 1261 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 11:53:18 PM 1361 Views
Perhaps the key is that Gawyn is an even more simplistic thinker than Galad. - 06/02/2010 06:20:06 AM 1220 Views
Again, what? When? - 06/02/2010 08:08:47 AM 1224 Views
Well, the fact that he's had access to one of the best educations in Randland - 06/02/2010 09:22:28 AM 1199 Views
Completely different subjects, and pretty insignificant, really. *NM* - 06/02/2010 06:44:35 PM 881 Views
the person to beat Gawyn is Mat - 06/02/2010 06:36:03 AM 1482 Views
Perrin would beat Lan?! *NM* - 06/02/2010 05:52:47 PM 1177 Views
Sure, Gawyn is better - 05/02/2010 02:26:45 AM 1259 Views
Re: Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) - 05/02/2010 04:27:16 AM 1396 Views
- 05/02/2010 04:47:17 AM 1115 Views
Add Nynaeve and Egwene to the fight, that's something worth seeing then. - 05/02/2010 05:20:53 AM 1384 Views
Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass - 05/02/2010 04:55:51 PM 1343 Views
I agree. - 05/02/2010 05:10:34 PM 1291 Views
Re: I agree. - 05/02/2010 05:25:52 PM 1516 Views
You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. - 05/02/2010 07:41:28 PM 1386 Views
Re: You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. - 05/02/2010 09:42:32 PM 1324 Views
I just mentioned it since you said Egwene had more combat experience. - 06/02/2010 06:21:38 AM 1264 Views
I think you are missunderstanding me - 07/02/2010 02:04:13 AM 1311 Views
Re: Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass - 05/02/2010 07:49:27 PM 1865 Views
Totally agree. *NM* - 05/02/2010 07:52:48 PM 1289 Views
yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test - 05/02/2010 09:41:09 PM 1294 Views
Re: yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test - 05/02/2010 10:00:11 PM 1205 Views
Nynaeve might have trouble... - 05/02/2010 10:24:56 PM 1301 Views
That's not what RJ said. He said Nynaeve would be a little hard pressed - 05/02/2010 10:18:42 PM 1104 Views
she might be a little hard pressed to pass a test she should pass without thought! - 06/02/2010 05:56:38 PM 994 Views
Moiraine was hard pressed to pass, and she practiced for ages and is the #1 Battle AS. - 06/02/2010 08:27:26 PM 1226 Views
she passed pretty easily IMO - 06/02/2010 09:12:13 PM 1299 Views
The test for the Shawl has little to nothing to do with channeling, you know this right? *NM* - 05/02/2010 10:23:16 PM 780 Views
Are you being serious? *NM* - 06/02/2010 08:57:33 AM 829 Views
of course it does - 06/02/2010 05:48:41 PM 1277 Views
That's not how it happens in New Spring. - 06/02/2010 07:00:52 PM 1169 Views
that's because Moiraine trained and is relatively skilled (for AS) - 06/02/2010 07:34:05 PM 1266 Views
That's nonsensical. - 06/02/2010 09:02:13 PM 1271 Views
It's what RJ said ... "too much specialization" - 06/02/2010 09:14:38 PM 1181 Views
Well, if RJ said it, I guess it must be true. - 06/02/2010 11:17:19 PM 1188 Views
*shrugs* - 07/02/2010 12:59:00 AM 1185 Views
Towers of Midnight spoilers: - 09/11/2010 05:29:05 AM 1198 Views
Re: That's not how it happens in New Spring. - 06/02/2010 08:28:52 PM 1171 Views
Right... - 06/02/2010 08:58:04 PM 1117 Views
About splitting weaves 14 ways - 05/02/2010 10:55:28 PM 1277 Views
Re: About splitting weaves 14 ways - 05/02/2010 11:08:50 PM 1117 Views
Can you provide that quote? - 06/02/2010 07:34:49 PM 1247 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? - 06/02/2010 08:19:08 PM 1252 Views
there is nothing to say that multiple weaves are involved. - 06/02/2010 09:16:29 PM 1165 Views
That's the nature on the weaving. - 06/02/2010 09:24:39 PM 1223 Views
Not really - 06/02/2010 10:46:52 PM 1259 Views
Yes, really - 06/02/2010 10:55:22 PM 1274 Views
Re: Yes, really - 06/02/2010 11:29:17 PM 1160 Views
Re: Yes, really - 06/02/2010 11:48:14 PM 1155 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 12:18:12 AM 1219 Views
Oh! Forgot another analogy - 07/02/2010 01:13:27 AM 1183 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 01:46:14 AM 1171 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 01:59:44 AM 1103 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 06:36:48 PM 1168 Views
IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill - 06/02/2010 09:01:23 AM 1185 Views
Re: IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill - 06/02/2010 09:29:06 AM 1331 Views
I agree ... it's much like Rand's approach to Graendal - 06/02/2010 05:51:17 PM 1223 Views
so you've learned nothing from Cyndane v. Alivia. - 06/02/2010 05:45:19 PM 1142 Views
Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. - 06/02/2010 08:33:08 PM 1268 Views
Re: Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. - 06/02/2010 09:17:40 PM 1263 Views
It's a lone example contested by many other examples - 07/02/2010 09:53:51 AM 1172 Views
the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien - 07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM 1260 Views
Re: the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien - 07/02/2010 04:25:57 PM 1169 Views
from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 06:55:27 PM 1271 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 08:04:57 PM 1110 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 08:20:31 PM 1103 Views
... but I can't let this one go... - 07/02/2010 11:09:04 PM 1354 Views
Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan - 07/02/2010 11:16:30 PM 1347 Views
Re: Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan - 08/02/2010 09:43:15 AM 1143 Views
Hmm... - 07/02/2010 11:05:00 PM 1172 Views
I disagree - 06/02/2010 05:30:40 AM 1146 Views
Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear - 06/02/2010 05:46:27 PM 1195 Views
Re: Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear - 06/02/2010 08:23:20 PM 1181 Views
she got hit with a pain weave before she did a damn thing - 06/02/2010 09:21:11 PM 1200 Views
lol - 07/02/2010 01:55:18 AM 1205 Views
Go look below at some of the quotes I've provided - 07/02/2010 01:59:51 AM 1247 Views
If the Power was used, I would agree - 06/02/2010 05:59:14 PM 1194 Views
On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 06/02/2010 10:43:43 PM 1117 Views
Exactly my point - 06/02/2010 10:49:49 PM 1135 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 06/02/2010 11:12:27 PM 2421 Views
plenty of evidence that Nynaeve is unskilled outside of Healing - 07/02/2010 01:21:20 AM 1256 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 07/02/2010 08:02:40 AM 1232 Views
There was one other very skilled Healer in the series... - 07/02/2010 06:44:41 PM 1173 Views
I'm sure she could if she bothered to train - 07/02/2010 06:57:17 PM 1014 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 06/02/2010 11:15:59 PM 1174 Views
Nope - 07/02/2010 01:26:19 AM 1210 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 07/02/2010 08:21:19 AM 1364 Views
Egwene and Nynaeve had already confront each other - 07/02/2010 08:45:23 AM 1299 Views
but whoever wins - 05/02/2010 04:54:52 AM 1235 Views
*nods* That's cuz ... - 05/02/2010 05:26:57 AM 1300 Views
I actually think Lan would win - 05/02/2010 04:57:24 PM 1230 Views
Agreed - 05/02/2010 08:22:26 PM 1207 Views
I think Lan, hands down. - 05/02/2010 03:30:20 PM 1101 Views
THANK you. - 05/02/2010 11:41:43 PM 9737 Views
Re: THANK you. - 06/02/2010 06:26:04 AM 1213 Views
Gawyn and Galad have become tough - 06/02/2010 09:04:25 AM 1381 Views
Re: Gawyn and Galad have become tough - 06/02/2010 09:31:51 AM 1079 Views
Gawyn is destined to protect the Great Mother ( Egwene ) - 05/02/2010 04:11:51 PM 1263 Views
Hopper!!!!! *NM* - 06/02/2010 12:21:25 AM 767 Views
Hasn't Hopper already lost in a fight? *NM* - 06/02/2010 01:48:19 AM 736 Views
According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... - 06/02/2010 08:55:50 AM 1260 Views
That can't be right, can it? - 06/02/2010 05:51:04 PM 1242 Views
Even in NS only Ryne is known to be better than Lan - 07/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 1296 Views
Huh .... - 06/02/2010 06:23:10 PM 1251 Views
I don't recall Rand loosing to Riatin. - 06/02/2010 06:39:31 PM 1234 Views
Well, to be fair, the text doesn't mention much - 07/02/2010 12:48:59 AM 1207 Views
Re: According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... - 06/02/2010 06:28:15 PM 1209 Views
"Gawhine"... I like it. *NM* - 06/02/2010 08:40:32 PM 761 Views
If Gawyn is the best because he defeated two Warders, what about Rand? - 06/02/2010 09:15:34 PM 1225 Views
These are pointless. - 09/02/2010 12:52:21 AM 1264 Views
These are scalar comparatives - 24/02/2010 09:45:11 PM 1228 Views

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