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Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... Skeeve the Great Send a noteboard - 06/02/2010 11:12:27 PM
Without any doubt, Nynaeve is a clumsy weaver. Not because she's inherently unskilled but because she never practices and has shown no dedication to improve her skill.


That's a stretch. Nowhere in the book it stated that Nynaeve is clumsy weaver. It stated several times that she doesn't pay attention to studies if it's not involved the Healing. But that is not the same as clumsy. In many regards, Nynaeve is exceptional weaver. As shown from POV of Elayne.


Egwene, on the other hand, is shown to be a master at anything the Aes Sedai can weave,

If we compare them to Aes Sedai, then Nynaeve long ago overpassed Aes Sedai. Here is the quote from WOT Wiki: "She has some favorable skill in battle: whenever threatened in the early books she would call down lightning and spew fireballs with an ease most Accepted (and even Aes Sedai) would have trouble matching, once even using balefire which only a few living Aes Sedai even have knowledge about"
Remember how Nynaeve was in battle in earlier books.


As RJ's statement showed, Egwene would breeze through the Aes Sedai test while Nynaeve, despite greater strength, would not. The test checks for one thing... weaving under pressure, and also using channeling to tackle other obstacles and distractions.

It is clear that Nynaeve will have to rely entirely on her strength for this, and that is going to be tiring. Someone like Egwene or Elayne, with their greater practice and broader knowledge, will not have this problem.

That's not what RJ implied and your assumtion is simply wrong. RJ implied that Nynaeve is not intersted in anything that is not involve Healing. That's why passing test for her would be a little hard. As a channeling under stress - she tackled Moggy and I don't think it was very calm situation. So again, you assumtion that she's not capable to tackle obstacles and distractions are simply baseless.


Over and above that, Egwene remains the only person who could make 14 weaves at once. Sure, Rand or someone might match that, but we haven't seen it. Rand says he can make up to 12 weaves at one go, and that is all we have evidence for.

We've seen Rand doing 100 Arrows of Fire at once. And we've seen Nynaeve doing mutlitple very complex weaving that Elayne can't comprehend at all. And we've been told that are SuperGirls (Avi, Elayne, Egwene) are pretty much evenly matched.
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Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) Yondaime - 04/02/2010 10:38:01 PM 2709 Views
Gawyn. *chokes back the vomit that rushes up his throat* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2010 10:53:37 PM 1452 Views
There there Yondaime - 04/02/2010 11:15:00 PM 1364 Views
Huh? He was even WORSE in TGS. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 05:14:16 AM 1235 Views
I dunno. He actaully DID stuff this time Yondaime - 05/02/2010 05:24:48 AM 1305 Views
I agree he was much better than before darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:39:33 PM 1209 Views
It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. Jeordam - 04/02/2010 11:15:19 PM 1357 Views
Re: It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. Gerbeaud - 05/02/2010 01:13:52 AM 1294 Views
Gawyn is incredibly irritating Yondaime - 05/02/2010 01:55:40 AM 1313 Views
No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:21:45 PM 1216 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Datakim - 05/02/2010 10:44:47 PM 1226 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 11:53:18 PM 1332 Views
Perhaps the key is that Gawyn is an even more simplistic thinker than Galad. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:20:06 AM 1187 Views
Again, what? When? Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 08:08:47 AM 1192 Views
Well, the fact that he's had access to one of the best educations in Randland Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:22:28 AM 1165 Views
Completely different subjects, and pretty insignificant, really. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 06:44:35 PM 867 Views
the person to beat Gawyn is Mat imlad - 06/02/2010 06:36:03 AM 1446 Views
Perrin would beat Lan?! *NM* BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:52:47 PM 1134 Views
Sure, Gawyn is better BlackAdder - 05/02/2010 02:26:45 AM 1249 Views
Re: Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) MissKoalaVB - 05/02/2010 04:27:16 AM 1355 Views
Yondaime - 05/02/2010 04:47:17 AM 1073 Views
Add Nynaeve and Egwene to the fight, that's something worth seeing then. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 05:20:53 AM 1351 Views
Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:55:51 PM 1309 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/02/2010 05:10:34 PM 1260 Views
Re: I agree. darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 05:25:52 PM 1477 Views
You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 07:41:28 PM 1350 Views
Re: You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:42:32 PM 1288 Views
I just mentioned it since you said Egwene had more combat experience. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:21:38 AM 1228 Views
I think you are missunderstanding me darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 02:04:13 AM 1273 Views
Re: Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass Datakim - 05/02/2010 07:49:27 PM 1828 Views
Totally agree. *NM* Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 07:52:48 PM 1255 Views
yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:41:09 PM 1255 Views
Re: yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test Datakim - 05/02/2010 10:00:11 PM 1168 Views
Nynaeve might have trouble... Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:24:56 PM 1262 Views
That's not what RJ said. He said Nynaeve would be a little hard pressed Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 10:18:42 PM 1071 Views
she might be a little hard pressed to pass a test she should pass without thought! darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:56:38 PM 959 Views
Moiraine was hard pressed to pass, and she practiced for ages and is the #1 Battle AS. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:27:26 PM 1191 Views
she passed pretty easily IMO darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:12:13 PM 1267 Views
Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way. Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 01:40:45 AM 1142 Views
Re: Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way. darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:52:40 AM 1253 Views
Yes, but choosing the time to attack is part of how good a fighter someone is. Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:30:55 PM 1121 Views
The test for the Shawl has little to nothing to do with channeling, you know this right? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:23:16 PM 767 Views
Are you being serious? *NM* Sidious - 06/02/2010 08:57:33 AM 816 Views
of course it does darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:48:41 PM 1238 Views
That's not how it happens in New Spring. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 07:00:52 PM 1156 Views
that's because Moiraine trained and is relatively skilled (for AS) darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 07:34:05 PM 1233 Views
That's nonsensical. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 09:02:13 PM 1237 Views
It's what RJ said ... "too much specialization" darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:14:38 PM 1144 Views
Well, if RJ said it, I guess it must be true. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 11:17:19 PM 1154 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 12:59:00 AM 1151 Views
Towers of Midnight spoilers: Fanatic-Templar - 09/11/2010 05:29:05 AM 1158 Views
Re: That's not how it happens in New Spring. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:28:52 PM 1139 Views
Right... Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 08:58:04 PM 1087 Views
About splitting weaves 14 ways Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 10:55:28 PM 1241 Views
Re: About splitting weaves 14 ways Datakim - 05/02/2010 11:08:50 PM 1103 Views
Can you provide that quote? darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 07:34:49 PM 1208 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 08:19:08 PM 1213 Views
Yup, plus those were complex weaves that may have required multiple flows. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:30:52 PM 1183 Views
there is nothing to say that multiple weaves are involved. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:16:29 PM 1130 Views
That's the nature on the weaving. Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 09:24:39 PM 1191 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:46:52 PM 1216 Views
Yes, really Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 10:55:22 PM 1231 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 06/02/2010 11:29:17 PM 1116 Views
Re: Yes, really Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 11:48:14 PM 1109 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 07/02/2010 12:18:12 AM 1160 Views
Oh! Forgot another analogy Datakim - 07/02/2010 01:13:27 AM 1150 Views
Re: Yes, really Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 01:46:14 AM 1141 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 07/02/2010 01:59:44 AM 1088 Views
Re: Yes, really Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:36:48 PM 1150 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? Datakim - 06/02/2010 10:14:24 PM 1113 Views
1 Blossom = 1 Weave ... there is nothing to say that each thread requires splitting flows darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:48:11 PM 1200 Views
Fine, I used the word weave when I should have used flow. 36 flows to create 12 weaves. *NM* Datakim - 06/02/2010 10:57:09 PM 741 Views
IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill Sidious - 06/02/2010 09:01:23 AM 1146 Views
Re: IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:29:06 AM 1298 Views
I agree ... it's much like Rand's approach to Graendal darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:51:17 PM 1183 Views
so you've learned nothing from Cyndane v. Alivia. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:45:19 PM 1112 Views
Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:33:08 PM 1235 Views
Re: Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:17:40 PM 1227 Views
It's a lone example contested by many other examples Sidious - 07/02/2010 09:53:51 AM 1131 Views
the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM 1228 Views
Re: the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien Sidious - 07/02/2010 04:25:57 PM 1135 Views
from RJs lips to your ears ... darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 06:55:27 PM 1234 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 08:04:57 PM 1076 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 08:20:31 PM 1073 Views
... but I can't let this one go... Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:09:04 PM 1311 Views
Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:16:30 PM 1311 Views
Re: Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan Sidious - 08/02/2010 09:43:15 AM 1104 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:05:00 PM 1142 Views
if you had points worth responding too I would ... as always you fall back on pretending you are RJ darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:07:37 PM 1221 Views
i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you *NM* Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:11:55 PM 1145 Views
Re: i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:18:49 PM 1183 Views
Yeah, what's a couple of fights with a Forsaken? How's Egwene without her sa'angreal crutch? Cannoli - 05/02/2010 11:40:13 PM 1104 Views
I disagree Kieran - 06/02/2010 05:30:40 AM 1104 Views
Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:46:27 PM 1137 Views
Re: Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear Kieran - 06/02/2010 08:23:20 PM 1141 Views
she got hit with a pain weave before she did a damn thing darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:21:11 PM 1142 Views
lol Kieran - 07/02/2010 01:55:18 AM 1166 Views
Go look below at some of the quotes I've provided darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:59:51 AM 1214 Views
If the Power was used, I would agree BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:59:14 PM 1164 Views
On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2010 10:43:43 PM 1076 Views
Exactly my point darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:49:49 PM 1102 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 11:12:27 PM 2385 Views
plenty of evidence that Nynaeve is unskilled outside of Healing darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:21:20 AM 1219 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 07/02/2010 08:02:40 AM 1194 Views
There was one other very skilled Healer in the series... Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:44:41 PM 1130 Views
I'm sure she could if she bothered to train darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 06:57:17 PM 977 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... Datakim - 06/02/2010 11:15:59 PM 1139 Views
Nope darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:26:19 AM 1177 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 07/02/2010 08:21:19 AM 1334 Views
Egwene and Nynaeve had already confront each other Elvira_Sedai - 07/02/2010 08:45:23 AM 1267 Views
but whoever wins fistofpainx - 05/02/2010 04:54:52 AM 1201 Views
*nods* That's cuz ... Yondaime - 05/02/2010 05:26:57 AM 1261 Views
I actually think Lan would win darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:57:24 PM 1198 Views
Agreed Myrdhyn - 05/02/2010 08:22:26 PM 1168 Views
If it was for "real" Lan wins, in practice ... Gawyn could be the superior *NM* darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:43:20 PM 653 Views
I think Lan, hands down. Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 03:30:20 PM 1064 Views
THANK you. Cannoli - 05/02/2010 11:41:43 PM 9703 Views
Re: THANK you. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:26:04 AM 1178 Views
Gawyn and Galad have become tough Sidious - 06/02/2010 09:04:25 AM 1343 Views
Re: Gawyn and Galad have become tough Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:31:51 AM 1043 Views
Gawyn is destined to protect the Great Mother ( Egwene ) Elvira_Sedai - 05/02/2010 04:11:51 PM 1224 Views
You forgot that the Warder Matched Lan A LONG time ago. Lan stopped sparring. amirebram - 05/02/2010 08:42:49 PM 1045 Views
Hopper!!!!! *NM* NaClH2O - 06/02/2010 12:21:25 AM 754 Views
Hasn't Hopper already lost in a fight? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 01:48:19 AM 723 Views
According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... Etzel - 06/02/2010 08:55:50 AM 1224 Views
That can't be right, can it? BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:51:04 PM 1202 Views
Even in NS only Ryne is known to be better than Lan darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 1260 Views
Huh .... Yondaime - 06/02/2010 06:23:10 PM 1213 Views
I don't recall Rand loosing to Riatin. Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 06:39:31 PM 1193 Views
Well, to be fair, the text doesn't mention much Yondaime - 07/02/2010 12:48:59 AM 1164 Views
Re: According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... Gerbeaud - 06/02/2010 06:28:15 PM 1167 Views
"Gawhine"... I like it. *NM* Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:40:32 PM 748 Views
If Gawyn is the best because he defeated two Warders, what about Rand? Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 09:15:34 PM 1187 Views
These are pointless. Heiko - 09/02/2010 12:52:21 AM 1225 Views
These are scalar comparatives JasonD - 24/02/2010 09:45:11 PM 1187 Views
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