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To a certain extent ajsr1982 Send a noteboard - 03/09/2009 11:33:30 AM
By which I mean, the White Tower. They seem largely either immature, self-absorbed, arrogant, or some mixture of the three. And yet... they don't really DO anything in the series.

Note that I'm not talking about the world in general- I'm talking about the space of time that takes place during the series. For the most part, any help that's come from Aes Sedai has almost been incidental, or from independently working sisters.

There's been a HUGE subplot, involving the split of the Tower, and for the most part it hasn't affected the world. No one really cares. Yes, the rival Aes Sedai factions care, and the areas where they gather gigantic armies care, but largely, the world remains unaffected.

Aes Sedai keep popping up, but the ones under the direction of the White Tower don't DO anything. It takes a Wondergirl, or a ta'veren, to get them to act.

Really, the only useful contribution the non-protagonist Aes Sedai have made is mediation, or being part of a link. They might know a lot of special weaves other channelers don't know, but they mostly can't hold a candle to the Forsaken (or even the Black Ajah, who know all of the special "Ajah Weaves". Some of them may be more powerful than many Wise Ones or Windfinders, but they still can't hold a candle to the protagonists, or many of the "wilders" they so disdain.

They mostly just get in everyone's way, unless a protagonist manages to tell them what to do (see: Moiraine after she swore her oath to Rand, Verin and Allana with Perrin, any of the AS who trail along after Elayne or Rand)


There are, however, numerous examples of AS being involved in things that may have turned out very differently if not for their presence. I can't remember which ones were there, but were there not a couple of AS around at the battle at Emond's Field? Would that have been different had they not been there.

Then there is the current purge of the BA inside the WT, which could well turn out to be significant. And the alliance with the BT of course.

The main problem is that many of these smaller characters seem insignificant because they don't do great deeds. The thing is, if they were swanning around making momentous discoveries, they wouldn't be smaller characters, they'd be integral characters, central to themain story, and there is only room for so many of these.

I think also, a running theme throughout the series is how the mighty have fallen. The untouchable perception of AS has, over the series, diminished. When Moiraine arrives in the Two Rivers, we see the esteem in which she is held. After encounters with the Wise Ones, Sea Folk, Seanchan, The Kin and The Forsaken, The Asha'man, and indeed themselves; we can see how this mask of unblemished superiority has slipped.

The big challenge for the AS now is how they adjust and learn to accept the new, less lofty place in the scheme of things.
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You know... it feels like the Aes Sedai are pretty superflouous - 02/09/2009 09:48:19 PM 1176 Views
Y'know, the paralells betwen the Aes Sedai in the White Tower... - 02/09/2009 10:46:29 PM 764 Views
Well said. Hadn't really thought of it that way before *NM* - 03/09/2009 12:01:30 AM 482 Views
And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. - 03/09/2009 03:37:14 AM 785 Views
Re: And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. - 03/09/2009 05:46:13 AM 743 Views
Really? - 03/09/2009 05:52:38 AM 713 Views
Re: Really? - 03/09/2009 06:03:13 AM 679 Views
So lets add a few more - 03/09/2009 11:42:48 AM 681 Views
most of these are accounted for above - 03/09/2009 02:18:01 PM 755 Views
But who did the work? - 03/09/2009 05:37:00 PM 606 Views
While these are good, none of it is because of the White Tower - 03/09/2009 05:43:56 PM 629 Views
So if Elaida didn't order it, it doesn't count? - 03/09/2009 07:29:20 PM 617 Views
Actually I think that's his point - 04/09/2009 01:40:37 PM 699 Views
Spot-on - 04/09/2009 08:56:30 PM 527 Views
Re: Actually I think that's his point - 05/09/2009 03:17:25 AM 566 Views
Re: But who did the work? - 04/09/2009 01:32:19 PM 641 Views
Only one point because obviously your mind is made up. - 05/09/2009 06:13:23 AM 668 Views
well, yeah - 05/09/2009 02:33:51 PM 736 Views
In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. - 05/09/2009 03:03:07 PM 607 Views
Re: In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. - 05/09/2009 04:57:44 PM 603 Views
No, fionwe1987 is absolutely right! - 05/09/2009 05:13:39 PM 562 Views
I'm glad the real world disagrees with you - 05/09/2009 05:05:50 PM 606 Views
I'm not convinced that it does - 05/09/2009 05:44:10 PM 707 Views
I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 04:25:22 PM 628 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 09:09:38 PM 677 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 09:23:53 PM 609 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 05/09/2009 09:02:47 AM 809 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 09:49:58 PM 588 Views
I was talking about the WT specifically, and only during recent years. It's Gotta be the Shadow, - 03/09/2009 05:39:11 PM 606 Views
So what you are really saying is that if you ignore over 2/3rds of the AS the rest aren't doing much - 03/09/2009 06:07:23 PM 551 Views
I'm talking about the organization as a whole - 03/09/2009 10:07:37 PM 621 Views
No you are talking about Elaida - 03/09/2009 10:32:59 PM 544 Views
You just made our point... - 04/09/2009 12:49:44 AM 641 Views
Well, because most of her actions infringe on that "bubble" - 04/09/2009 09:00:52 PM 546 Views
Not at all... - 04/09/2009 09:23:09 PM 655 Views
To a certain extent - 03/09/2009 11:33:30 AM 790 Views
Definitely. And Egwene is in denial. - 03/09/2009 05:53:14 PM 633 Views
Some pretty big blanket statements - 03/09/2009 10:24:50 PM 746 Views
Without the Tower - 03/09/2009 02:05:09 PM 541 Views
Actually, I think Verin is a good metaphor here. - 03/09/2009 07:59:46 PM 587 Views
Agrees with Nossy - 03/09/2009 10:44:06 PM 882 Views
That's mostly what I was trying to say - 04/09/2009 09:03:52 PM 546 Views
Re: That's mostly what I was trying to say - 05/09/2009 03:33:46 AM 887 Views

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