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Ha! "Graendal actually kills Asmodean". A very bold claim. *NM* Etzel Send a noteboard - 02/02/2010 10:51:40 AM
could be dead. From the way that the book reads at face value, she is dead. However I am not convinced. Why? There's an old saying that you can never be too sure that someone's dead unless you see a body.

This plays true for pretty much every show that I've seen, or book that I've read. Many of the Forsaken that we know are dead, we've seen them die.

Moiraine actually balefires Be'lal.
What was left of Ishmael's corpse after Rand killed him was in the Heart of the Stone.
Nynaeve sees Rand balefire Rhavin.
Graendal actually kills Asmodean in the hallway in the palace in Camelyn.
Moiraine actually pulls the angreal out of Lanfear's hands and tumbles through the Finn doorway.
Cadsuane actually identifies the burned body of "a rebel Asha'man" who we know is Osan'gar/Aginor.
Min actually witnesses Rand balefire Semirhage.

The only exceptions to this are the apparent death of Sammael and Graendal. There is a much better case for Sammael being dead, as Rand was within eyeshot of where his death took place. He looked at him...looked away for a heartbeat...and looked back. There was no physical means of escape for Sammael (unless the guy is Usane Bolt with manuvering skills like Darren Sproles), and Rand specifically didn't feel him channel saidin . So unless Sammael busted out a random weave of the True Source & Gateway-ed out of there in a heartbeat...Sammael is toast.

As for Graendal...the non-presense of the Compulsion weave/residue is just not enough evidence for dead for me. No first had account of actually seeing her go all "black to white" balefire-y...no body...no tangible event to point to. Just Nynaeve's testimony that there is no compulsion weaves there anymore...and that the guy was obviously not "compulsed" since he wasn't a slobbering, shell of a man. Let us remember that Graendal is superior in her ability to use Compulsion. She can do it so that the guy would have no side effects. And lets be honest...Nynaeve's ability to Delve may be awsome, but she can't read residues like Aviendha.

Is Graendal dead? I'm not sure...but since its near the end of the series, I'm gonna say yes. Would I be suprised if she just appeared in the next book? Not in the least.

~Jeordam
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So your name is Graendal.... - 01/02/2010 09:18:00 PM 1686 Views
one of the reasons I'm at a loss with her death ... along with the lead-up being clumsy *NM* - 01/02/2010 09:36:29 PM 708 Views
She very well... - 01/02/2010 11:13:50 PM 970 Views
Exactly how I feel ... to the letter! *NM* - 01/02/2010 11:17:57 PM 570 Views
Re: She very well... - 02/02/2010 08:42:17 AM 894 Views
Ha! "Graendal actually kills Asmodean". A very bold claim. *NM* - 02/02/2010 10:51:40 AM 610 Views
Bold like saying that water is wet.... - 02/02/2010 05:46:54 PM 614 Views
I am now split with a 80% belief it's Graendal and 20% that it's Moghedien *NM* - 02/02/2010 06:11:47 PM 398 Views
Moghedien.... - 02/02/2010 06:15:41 PM 701 Views
The a'dam doesn't limit your ability to enter T'A'R - 02/02/2010 06:36:26 PM 661 Views
Yeah..... - 02/02/2010 06:46:50 PM 861 Views
Re: Yeah..... - 02/02/2010 07:42:59 PM 652 Views
This brings up a very intersting question... - 02/02/2010 09:30:49 PM 870 Views
Re: This brings up a very intersting question... - 02/02/2010 09:57:24 PM 661 Views
Moghedien? Really? - 02/02/2010 07:56:33 PM 739 Views
when was Semirhage in an a'dam? *NM* - 02/02/2010 08:48:27 PM 399 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? - 02/02/2010 09:03:54 PM 663 Views
Egwene was faintly forkrooted, not heavily. - 02/02/2010 10:24:55 PM 659 Views
It was heavy enough to nullify her ability almost completely by TGS - 02/02/2010 10:38:04 PM 575 Views
That's still extremely faint. - 02/02/2010 11:07:10 PM 661 Views
Re: That's still extremely faint. - 03/02/2010 03:34:06 PM 705 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? - 03/02/2010 01:02:13 AM 608 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? - 03/02/2010 03:31:21 PM 820 Views
The chance that Moggy killed Asmo is actually 0 % - 02/02/2010 09:32:03 PM 736 Views
*nods* - 02/02/2010 09:36:04 PM 569 Views
Well, I completely disagree, but that's another discussion. *NM* - 02/02/2010 07:07:05 PM 377 Views
Yes, I agree. *NM* - 02/02/2010 03:26:13 PM 520 Views
As bad as Sammael's death. *NM* - 03/02/2010 02:00:02 AM 378 Views
Yes, pretty much. - 01/02/2010 11:21:31 PM 714 Views
Couple of flaws in that reasoning - 02/02/2010 07:56:35 AM 995 Views
Graendal already has a massive inverted ward around the palace. - 02/02/2010 03:23:44 PM 765 Views
Come on now.... - 02/02/2010 04:58:34 PM 912 Views
IMO - 02/02/2010 05:58:10 PM 718 Views
This could go either way.... - 02/02/2010 06:14:21 PM 860 Views
RE: Strength and Compulsion - 02/02/2010 06:31:13 PM 866 Views
I never figured that Verin was weak....or even middling. - 02/02/2010 06:57:11 PM 742 Views
Re: I never figured that Verin was weak....or even middling. - 02/02/2010 07:51:15 PM 733 Views
Verin was using her angreal when she compelled. *NM* - 02/02/2010 08:00:50 PM 426 Views
Danke for clarification. - 02/02/2010 08:15:39 PM 594 Views
The thing is... - 02/02/2010 09:39:18 AM 721 Views
Its still a game... - 02/02/2010 05:09:42 PM 750 Views
I could buy... - 02/02/2010 07:16:43 PM 698 Views
Please, - 02/02/2010 10:42:00 AM 703 Views
*ha* - 02/02/2010 05:10:41 PM 660 Views
My name is Graendal? My parents will be so confused. - 02/02/2010 02:19:26 PM 680 Views
So what would you say... - 02/02/2010 05:12:09 PM 654 Views
Wow. - 02/02/2010 06:00:11 PM 721 Views
Never underestimate.... - 02/02/2010 06:08:42 PM 638 Views
"Oh, no... Rand is totally going to balefire me!" *NM* - 03/02/2010 08:50:26 PM 365 Views
A conclusion with an explanation built around it. - 02/02/2010 10:22:29 PM 754 Views
Hah! - 02/02/2010 10:38:38 PM 585 Views
I miss Diomedes . *NM* - 02/02/2010 11:07:45 PM 337 Views
So...like the theory of Macro Evolution? People seem to believe that..... - 02/02/2010 11:22:41 PM 751 Views
... - 03/02/2010 01:23:06 AM 658 Views
Ok...I'm just saying... - 03/02/2010 04:00:46 PM 831 Views
That's ridiculous - 02/02/2010 11:39:41 PM 704 Views
Hold on now.... - 02/02/2010 11:51:32 PM 864 Views
Re: Hold on now.... - 03/02/2010 02:52:07 AM 691 Views
Re: Hold on now.... - 03/02/2010 08:59:44 PM 721 Views
Re: Hold on now.... - 04/02/2010 04:44:31 AM 634 Views
Your theory breaks down because of something Brandon said. - 03/02/2010 03:49:58 AM 638 Views
Kind of - 03/02/2010 04:10:04 AM 716 Views
I disagree. - 03/02/2010 05:31:39 AM 590 Views
But how many previously unseen weaves have had such huge implications? - 03/02/2010 01:29:15 PM 865 Views
Two things come to mind... - 03/02/2010 03:50:38 PM 784 Views
I don't really think this is relevant - 03/02/2010 05:03:51 PM 697 Views
There's a difference.... - 03/02/2010 06:01:30 PM 752 Views
I know there is. You're the one who brought up the weaves being picked apart - 03/02/2010 06:37:40 PM 728 Views
*grins* - 03/02/2010 06:42:54 PM 742 Views
But again... - 03/02/2010 06:59:18 PM 665 Views
sure we do - 03/02/2010 07:03:40 PM 607 Views
Each of them was at the very least confused/disoriented afterwards. - 03/02/2010 07:14:24 PM 592 Views
But here's the thing... - 03/02/2010 07:36:42 PM 709 Views
I think we disagree with what "subtle" means here. - 03/02/2010 07:46:20 PM 632 Views
Kerb was more subtle than most, but we've seen subtler. - 04/02/2010 05:16:33 PM 835 Views
Re: Each of them was at the very least confused/disoriented afterwards. - 03/02/2010 07:37:58 PM 584 Views
... - 03/02/2010 07:42:07 PM 660 Views
Re: ... - 03/02/2010 07:59:26 PM 631 Views
But - 03/02/2010 08:04:27 PM 732 Views
I think it would be obvious if Ituralde was acting different - 03/02/2010 08:18:50 PM 885 Views
Hrm - 03/02/2010 08:36:12 PM 812 Views
It happens in WH when they go to tell her that Moridin is N'B - 03/02/2010 08:43:11 PM 677 Views
Thanks *NM* - 03/02/2010 08:47:29 PM 373 Views
Now try and not lynch me... - 03/02/2010 04:08:11 PM 708 Views
But that's not how it happened - 03/02/2010 08:18:59 PM 692 Views

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