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Couple of flaws in that reasoning Lord Haart Send a noteboard - 02/02/2010 07:56:35 AM
- Rand was a fair distance from Natrin's Barrow. And I just don't see Graendal weaving a massive inverted ward around the place, as that would take more of the power than she has. I DEFINITELY don't see her strolling around the perimeter placing wards, she's far to decadent for that. Also, the gateway which Rand opened was NOT in sight of Graendal's palace.

- Compulsion that disappears on delving has never been seen or heard of in the series. It's pure speculation at best.

- Ramshalan had no idea what Rand intended. At best, he thought Rand was dropping him off around the place to secure support for the throne: "It is the first of many places I will send you... seek those who rule the keep. See if they are willing to support me." Rand acknowledges that Graendal will see through this, but will probably believe part of it at least. There's simply nothing prior to send Ramshalan off that indicates Rand's plan to use the CK + BF.

- If Graendal DID sense the gateway opening, she would have just left instantly. She's the kind of person that either feels safe or unsafe; what was to stop Rand from instantly Balefiring the place, or entering it himself with a bunch of AS?
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So your name is Graendal.... Jeordam - 01/02/2010 09:18:00 PM 1675 Views
one of the reasons I'm at a loss with her death ... along with the lead-up being clumsy *NM* darius_sedai - 01/02/2010 09:36:29 PM 704 Views
She very well... Jeordam - 01/02/2010 11:13:50 PM 947 Views
Exactly how I feel ... to the letter! *NM* darius_sedai - 01/02/2010 11:17:57 PM 564 Views
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Ha! "Graendal actually kills Asmodean". A very bold claim. *NM* Etzel - 02/02/2010 10:51:40 AM 602 Views
Bold like saying that water is wet.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 05:46:54 PM 593 Views
I am now split with a 80% belief it's Graendal and 20% that it's Moghedien *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 06:11:47 PM 393 Views
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Yeah..... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 06:46:50 PM 845 Views
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This brings up a very intersting question... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 09:30:49 PM 853 Views
Re: This brings up a very intersting question... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 09:57:24 PM 651 Views
Moghedien? Really? fionwe1987 - 02/02/2010 07:56:33 PM 723 Views
when was Semirhage in an a'dam? *NM* darius_sedai - 02/02/2010 08:48:27 PM 389 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 09:03:54 PM 644 Views
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That's still extremely faint. Fanatic-Templar - 02/02/2010 11:07:10 PM 642 Views
Re: That's still extremely faint. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 03:34:06 PM 688 Views
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Re: Moghedien? Really? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 03:31:21 PM 804 Views
The chance that Moggy killed Asmo is actually 0 % Etzel - 02/02/2010 09:32:03 PM 714 Views
*nods* Jeordam - 02/02/2010 09:36:04 PM 547 Views
Well, I completely disagree, but that's another discussion. *NM* Etzel - 02/02/2010 07:07:05 PM 373 Views
Yes, I agree. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 03:26:13 PM 511 Views
As bad as Sammael's death. *NM* Kieran - 03/02/2010 02:00:02 AM 369 Views
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Couple of flaws in that reasoning Lord Haart - 02/02/2010 07:56:35 AM 976 Views
Graendal already has a massive inverted ward around the palace. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 03:23:44 PM 746 Views
Come on now.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 04:58:34 PM 892 Views
IMO Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2010 05:58:10 PM 698 Views
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Wow. Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2010 06:00:11 PM 701 Views
Never underestimate.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 06:08:42 PM 621 Views
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Hah! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 10:38:38 PM 566 Views
I miss Diomedes . *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 02/02/2010 11:07:45 PM 330 Views
So...like the theory of Macro Evolution? People seem to believe that..... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 11:22:41 PM 731 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 03/02/2010 01:23:06 AM 637 Views
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I don't mean to make any generalisations about you, and I'm sorry if that's what I sounded like. Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 12:24:34 AM 673 Views
That's ridiculous rAndy aL - 02/02/2010 11:39:41 PM 686 Views
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Re: Hold on now.... Lord Haart - 04/02/2010 04:44:31 AM 612 Views
Your theory breaks down because of something Brandon said. Logain - 03/02/2010 03:49:58 AM 622 Views
Kind of Lord Haart - 03/02/2010 04:10:04 AM 694 Views
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I don't really think this is relevant Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 05:03:51 PM 683 Views
There's a difference.... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 06:01:30 PM 734 Views
I know there is. You're the one who brought up the weaves being picked apart Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 06:37:40 PM 712 Views
*grins* Jeordam - 03/02/2010 06:42:54 PM 726 Views
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sure we do darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 07:03:40 PM 591 Views
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I think we disagree with what "subtle" means here. Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 07:46:20 PM 616 Views
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Re: Each of them was at the very least confused/disoriented afterwards. darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 07:37:58 PM 567 Views
... Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 07:42:07 PM 645 Views
Re: ... darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 07:59:26 PM 610 Views
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Hrm Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 08:36:12 PM 795 Views
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Thanks *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 08:47:29 PM 367 Views
Now try and not lynch me... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 04:08:11 PM 687 Views
But that's not how it happened BlackAdder - 03/02/2010 08:18:59 PM 677 Views
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