could be dead. From the way that the book reads at face value, she is dead. However I am not convinced. Why? There's an old saying that you can never be too sure that someone's dead unless you see a body.
This plays true for pretty much every show that I've seen, or book that I've read. Many of the Forsaken that we know are dead, we've seen them die.
Moiraine actually balefires Be'lal.
What was left of Ishmael's corpse after Rand killed him was in the Heart of the Stone.
Nynaeve sees Rand balefire Rhavin.
Graendal actually kills Asmodean in the hallway in the palace in Camelyn.
Moiraine actually pulls the angreal out of Lanfear's hands and tumbles through the Finn doorway.
Cadsuane actually identifies the burned body of "a rebel Asha'man" who we know is Osan'gar/Aginor.
Min actually witnesses Rand balefire Semirhage.
The only exceptions to this are the apparent death of Sammael and Graendal. There is a much better case for Sammael being dead, as Rand was within eyeshot of where his death took place. He looked at him...looked away for a heartbeat...and looked back. There was no physical means of escape for Sammael (unless the guy is Usane Bolt with manuvering skills like Darren Sproles), and Rand specifically didn't feel him channel saidin . So unless Sammael busted out a random weave of the True Source & Gateway-ed out of there in a heartbeat...Sammael is toast.
As for Graendal...the non-presense of the Compulsion weave/residue is just not enough evidence for dead for me. No first had account of actually seeing her go all "black to white" balefire-y...no body...no tangible event to point to. Just Nynaeve's testimony that there is no compulsion weaves there anymore...and that the guy was obviously not "compulsed" since he wasn't a slobbering, shell of a man. Let us remember that Graendal is superior in her ability to use Compulsion. She can do it so that the guy would have no side effects. And lets be honest...Nynaeve's ability to Delve may be awsome, but she can't read residues like Aviendha.
Is Graendal dead? I'm not sure...but since its near the end of the series, I'm gonna say yes. Would I be suprised if she just appeared in the next book? Not in the least.
~Jeordam
This plays true for pretty much every show that I've seen, or book that I've read. Many of the Forsaken that we know are dead, we've seen them die.
Moiraine actually balefires Be'lal.
What was left of Ishmael's corpse after Rand killed him was in the Heart of the Stone.
Nynaeve sees Rand balefire Rhavin.
Graendal actually kills Asmodean in the hallway in the palace in Camelyn.
Moiraine actually pulls the angreal out of Lanfear's hands and tumbles through the Finn doorway.
Cadsuane actually identifies the burned body of "a rebel Asha'man" who we know is Osan'gar/Aginor.
Min actually witnesses Rand balefire Semirhage.
The only exceptions to this are the apparent death of Sammael and Graendal. There is a much better case for Sammael being dead, as Rand was within eyeshot of where his death took place. He looked at him...looked away for a heartbeat...and looked back. There was no physical means of escape for Sammael (unless the guy is Usane Bolt with manuvering skills like Darren Sproles), and Rand specifically didn't feel him channel saidin . So unless Sammael busted out a random weave of the True Source & Gateway-ed out of there in a heartbeat...Sammael is toast.
As for Graendal...the non-presense of the Compulsion weave/residue is just not enough evidence for dead for me. No first had account of actually seeing her go all "black to white" balefire-y...no body...no tangible event to point to. Just Nynaeve's testimony that there is no compulsion weaves there anymore...and that the guy was obviously not "compulsed" since he wasn't a slobbering, shell of a man. Let us remember that Graendal is superior in her ability to use Compulsion. She can do it so that the guy would have no side effects. And lets be honest...Nynaeve's ability to Delve may be awsome, but she can't read residues like Aviendha.
Is Graendal dead? I'm not sure...but since its near the end of the series, I'm gonna say yes. Would I be suprised if she just appeared in the next book? Not in the least.
~Jeordam
ex-Admin at wotmania (all things wot & art galleries)
Saving the Princess, Humanity, or the World-Entire since 1985
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So your name is Graendal....
01/02/2010 09:18:00 PM
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one of the reasons I'm at a loss with her death ... along with the lead-up being clumsy *NM*
01/02/2010 09:36:29 PM
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She very well...
01/02/2010 11:13:50 PM
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Ha! "Graendal actually kills Asmodean". A very bold claim. *NM*
02/02/2010 10:51:40 AM
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Bold like saying that water is wet....
02/02/2010 05:46:54 PM
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I am now split with a 80% belief it's Graendal and 20% that it's Moghedien *NM*
02/02/2010 06:11:47 PM
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Moghedien....
02/02/2010 06:15:41 PM
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The a'dam doesn't limit your ability to enter T'A'R
02/02/2010 06:36:26 PM
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Yeah.....
02/02/2010 06:46:50 PM
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Re: Yeah.....
02/02/2010 07:42:59 PM
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Moghedien? Really?
02/02/2010 07:56:33 PM
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Re: Moghedien? Really?
02/02/2010 09:03:54 PM
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Egwene was faintly forkrooted, not heavily.
02/02/2010 10:24:55 PM
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It was heavy enough to nullify her ability almost completely by TGS
02/02/2010 10:38:04 PM
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The lead up was clumsy because her death scene was rather forced.
09/02/2010 11:11:21 PM
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Couple of flaws in that reasoning
02/02/2010 07:56:35 AM
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Come on now....
02/02/2010 04:58:34 PM
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IMO
02/02/2010 05:58:10 PM
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This could go either way....
02/02/2010 06:14:21 PM
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RE: Strength and Compulsion
02/02/2010 06:31:13 PM
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I never figured that Verin was weak....or even middling.
02/02/2010 06:57:11 PM
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Re: I never figured that Verin was weak....or even middling.
02/02/2010 07:51:15 PM
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The thing is...
02/02/2010 09:39:18 AM
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My name is Graendal? My parents will be so confused.
02/02/2010 02:19:26 PM
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A conclusion with an explanation built around it.
02/02/2010 10:22:29 PM
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So...like the theory of Macro Evolution? People seem to believe that.....
02/02/2010 11:22:41 PM
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...
03/02/2010 01:23:06 AM
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Ok...I'm just saying...
03/02/2010 04:00:46 PM
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I don't mean to make any generalisations about you, and I'm sorry if that's what I sounded like.
04/02/2010 12:24:34 AM
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That's ridiculous
02/02/2010 11:39:41 PM
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Hold on now....
02/02/2010 11:51:32 PM
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Re: Hold on now....
03/02/2010 02:52:07 AM
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Your theory breaks down because of something Brandon said.
03/02/2010 03:49:58 AM
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I disagree.
03/02/2010 05:31:39 AM
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But how many previously unseen weaves have had such huge implications?
03/02/2010 01:29:15 PM
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Two things come to mind...
03/02/2010 03:50:38 PM
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I don't really think this is relevant
03/02/2010 05:03:51 PM
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There's a difference....
03/02/2010 06:01:30 PM
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I know there is. You're the one who brought up the weaves being picked apart
03/02/2010 06:37:40 PM
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*grins*
03/02/2010 06:42:54 PM
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But again...
03/02/2010 06:59:18 PM
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sure we do
03/02/2010 07:03:40 PM
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Each of them was at the very least confused/disoriented afterwards.
03/02/2010 07:14:24 PM
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But here's the thing...
03/02/2010 07:36:42 PM
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Re: Each of them was at the very least confused/disoriented afterwards.
03/02/2010 07:37:58 PM
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...
03/02/2010 07:42:07 PM
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Re: ...
03/02/2010 07:59:26 PM
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But
03/02/2010 08:04:27 PM
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I think it would be obvious if Ituralde was acting different
03/02/2010 08:18:50 PM
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Hrm
03/02/2010 08:36:12 PM
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