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If you cannot provide an answer... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 27/01/2010 03:10:40 AM
... stop saying that everything makes sense.


How would I know what Graendal's intentions were in having the merchant poisoned? We can't even be certain it was on Graendal's orders, it may have been Kerb's initiative.

Kerb had no initiative. He was too heavily compelled, remember?
Maybe Graendal wanted her dead to further hinder Rand's plans to bring order to Arad Doman using the Council of Merchants to elect a new King?

Or maybe not.

Uhhh? The woman was imprisoned and totally out of favor with Rand. Exactly how was she to help Rand bring order to Arad Doman? Using her Council vote? That seems little for Graendal to risk so much.
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Graendal's death would imply a major logical flaw in the story. fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 05:18:23 PM 2890 Views
I think Graendal's death was a great scene Etzel - 25/01/2010 05:26:51 PM 1625 Views
The scene itself was great. The rest is crap. fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 05:37:44 PM 1452 Views
After reading 12 WoT books... Etzel - 25/01/2010 05:46:31 PM 1527 Views
You also ignored... randfandom - 25/01/2010 08:15:34 PM 1510 Views
and of course, the obvious theme Sidious - 25/01/2010 09:02:56 PM 1357 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 11:49:33 PM 1498 Views
It's possible that this was mainly written by BS Etzel - 26/01/2010 12:03:03 PM 1436 Views
I think playing too many games just messes up with the integrety and solidness of the books ... amirebram - 26/01/2010 09:46:16 PM 2923 Views
I agree that the set up for her death was rather lame darius_sedai - 25/01/2010 06:14:07 PM 1683 Views
I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/01/2010 06:18:30 PM 1473 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. Underwood - 25/01/2010 06:44:34 PM 1412 Views
well one of her major character parallels is Josef Mengel darius_sedai - 25/01/2010 06:54:43 PM 1210 Views
Can you think of any way that would explain the Compulsion vanishing? beetnemesis - 25/01/2010 07:52:40 PM 1247 Views
that's kind of my whole point darius_sedai - 25/01/2010 08:43:19 PM 1176 Views
Uh, not actually at all really Sidious - 25/01/2010 09:07:52 PM 1475 Views
*shudders* Yondaime - 26/01/2010 02:27:35 AM 1340 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 08:47:21 AM 1394 Views
None of those "easy explanations" could work beetnemesis - 26/01/2010 07:14:16 AM 1291 Views
my entire problem with the scene is that it just felt too open ended darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 08:58:37 AM 1348 Views
Can't she knot it to disapate after being examined once? Rurouni_Kenshin - 26/01/2010 03:43:55 AM 1237 Views
Do we have evidence that this is possible? Yondaime - 26/01/2010 03:44:48 AM 1377 Views
why would Graendal do that anyway? Sidious - 26/01/2010 04:26:38 AM 1389 Views
Re: why would Graendal do that anyway? Rurouni_Kenshin - 03/02/2010 02:52:32 AM 1300 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 02:03:51 AM 1395 Views
I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 07:38:40 AM 1177 Views
Re: I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 08:49:00 AM 1367 Views
Re: I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. Lord Haart - 26/01/2010 09:19:35 AM 1163 Views
Moiraine probably learned it while researching with Adealas and Vandene. *NM* Gher - 26/01/2010 04:57:09 PM 914 Views
Sidious - 26/01/2010 11:42:04 AM 1362 Views
Didn't Balthamel and Aginor leave corpses? Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 04:35:19 PM 1362 Views
Re: Didn't Balthamel and Aginor leave corpses? Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:06:01 PM 1229 Views
Re: RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 04:44:06 PM 1352 Views
He was balefired by a direct stream in front of at least two credible witnesses. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 04:10:13 PM 1375 Views
Me, Too. The Name With No Man - 28/01/2010 08:00:09 PM 1338 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. Sidious - 25/01/2010 08:56:16 PM 1434 Views
I believe she's dead Sareitha Sedai - 25/01/2010 09:06:37 PM 1285 Views
Re: I believe she's dead Sidious - 25/01/2010 09:09:58 PM 1329 Views
I don't think she would have taught anyone Sareitha Sedai - 25/01/2010 09:18:03 PM 1185 Views
Besides, if it wasn't Graendal, it implies that she knew of Rand's plan, which is not feasible *NM* Shannow - 26/01/2010 02:01:41 PM 713 Views
The compulsion did not disappear immediately. Read the damned scene! fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 11:54:02 PM 1443 Views
Re: The compulsion did not disappear immediately. Read the damned scene! Underwood - 26/01/2010 01:22:57 AM 1195 Views
Stop passing judgments... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 02:05:21 AM 1402 Views
But your theories are becoming increasingly farfetched Sidious - 26/01/2010 04:21:21 AM 1276 Views
I repeat that I find her "death" monumental... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:16:13 PM 1263 Views
Re: I repeat that I find her "death" monumental... Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:23:29 PM 1286 Views
Dude, then you derailed the thread... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:31:55 PM 1168 Views
Not really Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:35:06 PM 1274 Views
Re: Not really fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:45:20 PM 1356 Views
Re: Not really Sidious - 28/01/2010 04:27:17 PM 1267 Views
Re: Stop passing judgments... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 04:40:37 PM 1235 Views
*NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 05:00:10 PM 675 Views
Everyone can see residues- only a select few can "read" them beetnemesis - 26/01/2010 07:42:19 AM 1327 Views
no she said she wouldn't risk strength and skill in the same place darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 08:51:31 AM 1221 Views
Re: no she said she wouldn't risk strength and skill in the same place Sidious - 26/01/2010 11:37:26 AM 1362 Views
read the whole quote darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 04:35:17 PM 1015 Views
LOL! You read the whole quote Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:00:41 PM 1159 Views
the risk she won't take is strength and skill residing together. darius_sedai - 27/01/2010 12:40:09 AM 1212 Views
Re: the risk she won't take is strength and skill residing together. Sidious - 28/01/2010 04:28:21 PM 1337 Views
I don't see any flaws. Skeeve the Great - 25/01/2010 09:14:44 PM 1423 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 11:44:49 PM 1156 Views
Re: But... Skeeve the Great - 26/01/2010 01:14:51 AM 1323 Views
That is what I thought ... Yondaime - 26/01/2010 01:24:18 AM 1210 Views
That still doesn't make sense. fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 02:23:12 AM 1402 Views
But, having a clean up guy does make sense. Yondaime - 26/01/2010 03:02:13 AM 1407 Views
But the clean up guy would require another clean up guy! fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 03:35:44 AM 1247 Views
Re: But the clean up guy would require another clean up guy! Yondaime - 26/01/2010 04:12:41 AM 1223 Views
Nonsense. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 07:50:04 AM 1135 Views
Dude, read what I said please... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:21:52 PM 1322 Views
Re: Dude, read what I said please... Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 09:28:25 PM 1296 Views
Kerb had no initiative... he was under too heavy a Compulsion to think for himself darius_sedai - 27/01/2010 12:45:47 AM 1175 Views
I think he had some, albeit probably not a whole lot Yondaime - 27/01/2010 01:03:44 AM 1233 Views
Nynaeve and Elayne were under a weaker compulsion... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2010 03:10:52 AM 1075 Views
We don't know that, exactly Yondaime - 27/01/2010 03:50:44 AM 1120 Views
If you cannot provide an answer... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2010 03:10:40 AM 1206 Views
Seriously? Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 03:55:57 AM 1253 Views
Maybe... Etzel - 27/01/2010 11:08:10 AM 1182 Views
Messenger was running around being obvious. Noone would suspect Kerb though. Case Closed. *NM* Lord Haart - 26/01/2010 11:08:16 AM 822 Views
Thank the creator you're not in the police then. *NM* fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:22:29 PM 773 Views
Ok, in more detail: Lord Haart - 26/01/2010 08:16:30 PM 1319 Views
I'm tired of making this point... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 08:39:22 PM 1070 Views
Re: I'm tired of making this point... Syraelle - 26/01/2010 08:44:51 PM 1227 Views
Thoughts Heiko - 26/01/2010 01:05:45 AM 1159 Views
But that means she's dead Skeeve the Great - 26/01/2010 01:20:19 AM 1208 Views
Re: But that means she's dead Heiko - 26/01/2010 05:31:25 AM 1303 Views
Nope. Ramshalan was just "collecting taxes" or something. Lord Haart - 26/01/2010 11:10:25 AM 1125 Views
Re: Nope. Ramshalan was NOT just "collecting taxes" or something. Syraelle - 26/01/2010 05:41:17 PM 1188 Views
By, the way, if I understand this correctly... Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 04:49:45 PM 1404 Views
Indeed... Etzel - 26/01/2010 05:13:53 PM 1390 Views
Re: Indeed... Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:04:40 PM 1221 Views
I'm not arguing she's alive, but... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:29:42 PM 1229 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Underwood - 26/01/2010 07:58:41 PM 1205 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 09:42:52 PM 1007 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2010 03:26:46 AM 1248 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 04:05:23 AM 1325 Views
That's not fair Yondaime - 27/01/2010 04:09:38 AM 1191 Views
I agree about the 'awesome' part . Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 05:41:00 AM 1132 Views
Does anybody have a link to it? (nothing on Google). I'm intrigued. *NM* Lord Haart - 27/01/2010 08:27:13 AM 716 Views
It was on Wotmania. Someone copied all the theories, but I don't recall whom. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 08:31:00 AM 844 Views
I just think it's funny that what you call omniscience has been done by the Forsaken before. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/01/2010 02:02:44 PM 1147 Views
But Graendal was the victim of a greater plot. Lord Haart - 27/01/2010 05:30:28 PM 1271 Views
So your response is that Ishamael/Moridin is omniscient, not Graendal. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/01/2010 05:57:20 PM 1367 Views
Re: So your response is that Ishamael/Moridin is omniscient, not Graendal. Lord Haart - 28/01/2010 04:05:21 AM 1340 Views
Give me one example. Just one. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 06:52:44 PM 795 Views
Ishamael plans millennia ahead by sowing the seeds for the Black Ajah, the Seanchan and the current RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 01:57:39 PM 1311 Views
Not even comparable. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 06:31:06 PM 1075 Views
Re: Not even comparable. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 07:50:38 PM 1205 Views
Could you please take the effort to read my posts? Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 10:45:01 PM 1167 Views
Re: Could you please take the effort to read my posts? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/01/2010 03:49:43 PM 1209 Views
Re: Could you please take the effort to read my posts? Fanatic-Templar - 29/01/2010 06:40:43 PM 1218 Views
And, just to double post: Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 07:12:17 PM 968 Views
Re: And, just to double post: RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/01/2010 08:25:45 PM 1296 Views
Nice answer. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 12:10:27 AM 1278 Views
Re: Nice answer. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 01:55:16 PM 1217 Views
Hilarious. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 06:36:22 PM 1340 Views
Re: Hilarious. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 07:15:20 PM 1228 Views
Re: Hilarious. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 07:41:29 PM 1246 Views
Re: Hilarious. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 07:53:34 PM 1103 Views
Re: Hilarious. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 10:55:57 PM 1262 Views
That's because you didn't look at other posts. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/01/2010 03:37:08 PM 1208 Views
Moridin's main directive was.. Etzel - 29/01/2010 03:57:41 PM 1258 Views
Re: Moridin's main directive was.. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/01/2010 04:50:16 PM 1327 Views
Preventing order wasn't accomplished... Etzel - 29/01/2010 05:12:22 PM 1265 Views
I disagree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/01/2010 05:28:59 PM 1625 Views
I will stop our discussion here; the posts are already pushed too far to the right of my display. *NM* Etzel - 29/01/2010 06:14:29 PM 641 Views
You expect me to search every post you've made on this forum, ever? Fanatic-Templar - 29/01/2010 06:50:49 PM 1191 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Skeeve the Great - 27/01/2010 01:00:42 AM 1195 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2010 03:26:56 AM 1245 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Skeeve the Great - 27/01/2010 05:35:39 AM 1218 Views
I don't see a flaw rAndy aL - 27/01/2010 06:24:44 AM 1295 Views
Re: I don't see a flaw Underwood - 27/01/2010 04:18:27 PM 1263 Views
Yup, I'm tired of seeing arguments that ignore the need to back up their own claims. Lord Haart - 27/01/2010 05:47:16 PM 1239 Views
Let's give you one logic path for Millisair being poisoned. TheUltimateReality - 27/01/2010 05:47:04 PM 1260 Views
Spot on. *NM* Lord Haart - 28/01/2010 04:09:26 AM 785 Views
I don't think there's a flaw, I think you misinterpret Graendal's plans DomA - 27/01/2010 06:57:44 PM 1249 Views
Good point on Ituralde - he may still be Compulsed in ways we're yet to discover. *NM* Lord Haart - 28/01/2010 04:11:15 AM 757 Views
Compulsion is limited Sidious - 28/01/2010 04:30:24 PM 1194 Views
Re: Compulsion is limited Lord Haart - 28/01/2010 06:35:05 PM 1349 Views
Re: Compulsion is limited DomA - 28/01/2010 08:26:37 PM 1124 Views
Re: Graendal's death would imply a major logical flaw in the story. taura-tierno - 27/01/2010 09:11:32 PM 1227 Views
There's really no further purpose for her character. Libby - 09/02/2010 10:52:58 PM 1291 Views
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