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If you cannot provide an answer... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 27/01/2010 03:10:40 AM
... stop saying that everything makes sense.


How would I know what Graendal's intentions were in having the merchant poisoned? We can't even be certain it was on Graendal's orders, it may have been Kerb's initiative.

Kerb had no initiative. He was too heavily compelled, remember?
Maybe Graendal wanted her dead to further hinder Rand's plans to bring order to Arad Doman using the Council of Merchants to elect a new King?

Or maybe not.

Uhhh? The woman was imprisoned and totally out of favor with Rand. Exactly how was she to help Rand bring order to Arad Doman? Using her Council vote? That seems little for Graendal to risk so much.
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Graendal's death would imply a major logical flaw in the story. fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 05:18:23 PM 2852 Views
I think Graendal's death was a great scene Etzel - 25/01/2010 05:26:51 PM 1587 Views
The scene itself was great. The rest is crap. fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 05:37:44 PM 1389 Views
After reading 12 WoT books... Etzel - 25/01/2010 05:46:31 PM 1480 Views
You also ignored... randfandom - 25/01/2010 08:15:34 PM 1481 Views
and of course, the obvious theme Sidious - 25/01/2010 09:02:56 PM 1305 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 11:49:33 PM 1453 Views
It's possible that this was mainly written by BS Etzel - 26/01/2010 12:03:03 PM 1407 Views
I think playing too many games just messes up with the integrety and solidness of the books ... amirebram - 26/01/2010 09:46:16 PM 2877 Views
I agree that the set up for her death was rather lame darius_sedai - 25/01/2010 06:14:07 PM 1653 Views
I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/01/2010 06:18:30 PM 1432 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. Underwood - 25/01/2010 06:44:34 PM 1381 Views
well one of her major character parallels is Josef Mengel darius_sedai - 25/01/2010 06:54:43 PM 1178 Views
Can you think of any way that would explain the Compulsion vanishing? beetnemesis - 25/01/2010 07:52:40 PM 1199 Views
that's kind of my whole point darius_sedai - 25/01/2010 08:43:19 PM 1136 Views
Uh, not actually at all really Sidious - 25/01/2010 09:07:52 PM 1429 Views
*shudders* Yondaime - 26/01/2010 02:27:35 AM 1306 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 08:47:21 AM 1338 Views
None of those "easy explanations" could work beetnemesis - 26/01/2010 07:14:16 AM 1243 Views
my entire problem with the scene is that it just felt too open ended darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 08:58:37 AM 1317 Views
Can't she knot it to disapate after being examined once? Rurouni_Kenshin - 26/01/2010 03:43:55 AM 1170 Views
Do we have evidence that this is possible? Yondaime - 26/01/2010 03:44:48 AM 1338 Views
why would Graendal do that anyway? Sidious - 26/01/2010 04:26:38 AM 1350 Views
Re: why would Graendal do that anyway? Rurouni_Kenshin - 03/02/2010 02:52:32 AM 1271 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 02:03:51 AM 1371 Views
I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 07:38:40 AM 1141 Views
Re: I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 08:49:00 AM 1335 Views
Re: I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. Lord Haart - 26/01/2010 09:19:35 AM 1122 Views
Moiraine probably learned it while researching with Adealas and Vandene. *NM* Gher - 26/01/2010 04:57:09 PM 897 Views
Sidious - 26/01/2010 11:42:04 AM 1322 Views
Didn't Balthamel and Aginor leave corpses? Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 04:35:19 PM 1316 Views
Re: Didn't Balthamel and Aginor leave corpses? Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:06:01 PM 1194 Views
Re: RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 04:44:06 PM 1309 Views
He was balefired by a direct stream in front of at least two credible witnesses. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 04:10:13 PM 1334 Views
Me, Too. The Name With No Man - 28/01/2010 08:00:09 PM 1303 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. Sidious - 25/01/2010 08:56:16 PM 1397 Views
I believe she's dead Sareitha Sedai - 25/01/2010 09:06:37 PM 1250 Views
Re: I believe she's dead Sidious - 25/01/2010 09:09:58 PM 1288 Views
I don't think she would have taught anyone Sareitha Sedai - 25/01/2010 09:18:03 PM 1151 Views
Besides, if it wasn't Graendal, it implies that she knew of Rand's plan, which is not feasible *NM* Shannow - 26/01/2010 02:01:41 PM 689 Views
The compulsion did not disappear immediately. Read the damned scene! fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 11:54:02 PM 1414 Views
Re: The compulsion did not disappear immediately. Read the damned scene! Underwood - 26/01/2010 01:22:57 AM 1162 Views
Stop passing judgments... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 02:05:21 AM 1359 Views
But your theories are becoming increasingly farfetched Sidious - 26/01/2010 04:21:21 AM 1234 Views
I repeat that I find her "death" monumental... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:16:13 PM 1210 Views
Re: I repeat that I find her "death" monumental... Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:23:29 PM 1243 Views
Dude, then you derailed the thread... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:31:55 PM 1138 Views
Not really Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:35:06 PM 1245 Views
Re: Not really fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:45:20 PM 1318 Views
Re: Not really Sidious - 28/01/2010 04:27:17 PM 1236 Views
Re: Stop passing judgments... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 04:40:37 PM 1199 Views
*NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 05:00:10 PM 648 Views
Everyone can see residues- only a select few can "read" them beetnemesis - 26/01/2010 07:42:19 AM 1291 Views
no she said she wouldn't risk strength and skill in the same place darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 08:51:31 AM 1178 Views
Re: no she said she wouldn't risk strength and skill in the same place Sidious - 26/01/2010 11:37:26 AM 1332 Views
read the whole quote darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 04:35:17 PM 981 Views
LOL! You read the whole quote Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:00:41 PM 1110 Views
the risk she won't take is strength and skill residing together. darius_sedai - 27/01/2010 12:40:09 AM 1176 Views
Re: the risk she won't take is strength and skill residing together. Sidious - 28/01/2010 04:28:21 PM 1309 Views
I don't see any flaws. Skeeve the Great - 25/01/2010 09:14:44 PM 1379 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 11:44:49 PM 1119 Views
Re: But... Skeeve the Great - 26/01/2010 01:14:51 AM 1283 Views
That is what I thought ... Yondaime - 26/01/2010 01:24:18 AM 1166 Views
That still doesn't make sense. fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 02:23:12 AM 1357 Views
But, having a clean up guy does make sense. Yondaime - 26/01/2010 03:02:13 AM 1368 Views
But the clean up guy would require another clean up guy! fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 03:35:44 AM 1218 Views
Re: But the clean up guy would require another clean up guy! Yondaime - 26/01/2010 04:12:41 AM 1171 Views
Nonsense. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 07:50:04 AM 1096 Views
Dude, read what I said please... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:21:52 PM 1287 Views
Re: Dude, read what I said please... Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 09:28:25 PM 1255 Views
Kerb had no initiative... he was under too heavy a Compulsion to think for himself darius_sedai - 27/01/2010 12:45:47 AM 1141 Views
I think he had some, albeit probably not a whole lot Yondaime - 27/01/2010 01:03:44 AM 1202 Views
Nynaeve and Elayne were under a weaker compulsion... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2010 03:10:52 AM 1036 Views
We don't know that, exactly Yondaime - 27/01/2010 03:50:44 AM 1091 Views
If you cannot provide an answer... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2010 03:10:40 AM 1179 Views
Seriously? Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 03:55:57 AM 1216 Views
Maybe... Etzel - 27/01/2010 11:08:10 AM 1147 Views
Messenger was running around being obvious. Noone would suspect Kerb though. Case Closed. *NM* Lord Haart - 26/01/2010 11:08:16 AM 803 Views
Thank the creator you're not in the police then. *NM* fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:22:29 PM 749 Views
Ok, in more detail: Lord Haart - 26/01/2010 08:16:30 PM 1278 Views
I'm tired of making this point... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 08:39:22 PM 1034 Views
Re: I'm tired of making this point... Syraelle - 26/01/2010 08:44:51 PM 1196 Views
Thoughts Heiko - 26/01/2010 01:05:45 AM 1109 Views
But that means she's dead Skeeve the Great - 26/01/2010 01:20:19 AM 1157 Views
Re: But that means she's dead Heiko - 26/01/2010 05:31:25 AM 1263 Views
Nope. Ramshalan was just "collecting taxes" or something. Lord Haart - 26/01/2010 11:10:25 AM 1084 Views
Re: Nope. Ramshalan was NOT just "collecting taxes" or something. Syraelle - 26/01/2010 05:41:17 PM 1158 Views
By, the way, if I understand this correctly... Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 04:49:45 PM 1357 Views
Indeed... Etzel - 26/01/2010 05:13:53 PM 1354 Views
Re: Indeed... Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:04:40 PM 1180 Views
I'm not arguing she's alive, but... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:29:42 PM 1183 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Underwood - 26/01/2010 07:58:41 PM 1165 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 09:42:52 PM 974 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2010 03:26:46 AM 1202 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 04:05:23 AM 1295 Views
That's not fair Yondaime - 27/01/2010 04:09:38 AM 1141 Views
I agree about the 'awesome' part . Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 05:41:00 AM 1104 Views
Does anybody have a link to it? (nothing on Google). I'm intrigued. *NM* Lord Haart - 27/01/2010 08:27:13 AM 698 Views
It was on Wotmania. Someone copied all the theories, but I don't recall whom. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 08:31:00 AM 824 Views
I just think it's funny that what you call omniscience has been done by the Forsaken before. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/01/2010 02:02:44 PM 1112 Views
But Graendal was the victim of a greater plot. Lord Haart - 27/01/2010 05:30:28 PM 1228 Views
So your response is that Ishamael/Moridin is omniscient, not Graendal. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/01/2010 05:57:20 PM 1333 Views
Re: So your response is that Ishamael/Moridin is omniscient, not Graendal. Lord Haart - 28/01/2010 04:05:21 AM 1304 Views
Give me one example. Just one. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 06:52:44 PM 770 Views
Ishamael plans millennia ahead by sowing the seeds for the Black Ajah, the Seanchan and the current RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 01:57:39 PM 1284 Views
Not even comparable. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 06:31:06 PM 1046 Views
Re: Not even comparable. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 07:50:38 PM 1161 Views
Could you please take the effort to read my posts? Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 10:45:01 PM 1121 Views
Re: Could you please take the effort to read my posts? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/01/2010 03:49:43 PM 1157 Views
Re: Could you please take the effort to read my posts? Fanatic-Templar - 29/01/2010 06:40:43 PM 1164 Views
And, just to double post: Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 07:12:17 PM 933 Views
Re: And, just to double post: RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/01/2010 08:25:45 PM 1245 Views
Nice answer. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 12:10:27 AM 1253 Views
Re: Nice answer. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 01:55:16 PM 1177 Views
Hilarious. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 06:36:22 PM 1296 Views
Re: Hilarious. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 07:15:20 PM 1189 Views
Re: Hilarious. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 07:41:29 PM 1209 Views
Re: Hilarious. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 07:53:34 PM 1046 Views
Re: Hilarious. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 10:55:57 PM 1236 Views
That's because you didn't look at other posts. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/01/2010 03:37:08 PM 1174 Views
Moridin's main directive was.. Etzel - 29/01/2010 03:57:41 PM 1225 Views
Re: Moridin's main directive was.. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/01/2010 04:50:16 PM 1272 Views
Preventing order wasn't accomplished... Etzel - 29/01/2010 05:12:22 PM 1230 Views
I disagree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/01/2010 05:28:59 PM 1596 Views
I will stop our discussion here; the posts are already pushed too far to the right of my display. *NM* Etzel - 29/01/2010 06:14:29 PM 625 Views
You expect me to search every post you've made on this forum, ever? Fanatic-Templar - 29/01/2010 06:50:49 PM 1158 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Skeeve the Great - 27/01/2010 01:00:42 AM 1167 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2010 03:26:56 AM 1209 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Skeeve the Great - 27/01/2010 05:35:39 AM 1189 Views
I don't see a flaw rAndy aL - 27/01/2010 06:24:44 AM 1263 Views
Re: I don't see a flaw Underwood - 27/01/2010 04:18:27 PM 1219 Views
Yup, I'm tired of seeing arguments that ignore the need to back up their own claims. Lord Haart - 27/01/2010 05:47:16 PM 1201 Views
Let's give you one logic path for Millisair being poisoned. TheUltimateReality - 27/01/2010 05:47:04 PM 1221 Views
Spot on. *NM* Lord Haart - 28/01/2010 04:09:26 AM 763 Views
I don't think there's a flaw, I think you misinterpret Graendal's plans DomA - 27/01/2010 06:57:44 PM 1211 Views
Good point on Ituralde - he may still be Compulsed in ways we're yet to discover. *NM* Lord Haart - 28/01/2010 04:11:15 AM 737 Views
Compulsion is limited Sidious - 28/01/2010 04:30:24 PM 1168 Views
Re: Compulsion is limited Lord Haart - 28/01/2010 06:35:05 PM 1313 Views
Re: Compulsion is limited DomA - 28/01/2010 08:26:37 PM 1090 Views
Re: Graendal's death would imply a major logical flaw in the story. taura-tierno - 27/01/2010 09:11:32 PM 1177 Views
There's really no further purpose for her character. Libby - 09/02/2010 10:52:58 PM 1261 Views
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