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If you cannot provide an answer... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 27/01/2010 03:10:40 AM
... stop saying that everything makes sense.


How would I know what Graendal's intentions were in having the merchant poisoned? We can't even be certain it was on Graendal's orders, it may have been Kerb's initiative.

Kerb had no initiative. He was too heavily compelled, remember?
Maybe Graendal wanted her dead to further hinder Rand's plans to bring order to Arad Doman using the Council of Merchants to elect a new King?

Or maybe not.

Uhhh? The woman was imprisoned and totally out of favor with Rand. Exactly how was she to help Rand bring order to Arad Doman? Using her Council vote? That seems little for Graendal to risk so much.
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Graendal's death would imply a major logical flaw in the story. fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 05:18:23 PM 2959 Views
I think Graendal's death was a great scene Etzel - 25/01/2010 05:26:51 PM 1717 Views
The scene itself was great. The rest is crap. fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 05:37:44 PM 1537 Views
After reading 12 WoT books... Etzel - 25/01/2010 05:46:31 PM 1592 Views
You also ignored... randfandom - 25/01/2010 08:15:34 PM 1582 Views
and of course, the obvious theme Sidious - 25/01/2010 09:02:56 PM 1442 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 11:49:33 PM 1576 Views
It's possible that this was mainly written by BS Etzel - 26/01/2010 12:03:03 PM 1513 Views
I think playing too many games just messes up with the integrety and solidness of the books ... amirebram - 26/01/2010 09:46:16 PM 2983 Views
I agree that the set up for her death was rather lame darius_sedai - 25/01/2010 06:14:07 PM 1739 Views
I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/01/2010 06:18:30 PM 1547 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. Underwood - 25/01/2010 06:44:34 PM 1483 Views
well one of her major character parallels is Josef Mengel darius_sedai - 25/01/2010 06:54:43 PM 1285 Views
Can you think of any way that would explain the Compulsion vanishing? beetnemesis - 25/01/2010 07:52:40 PM 1320 Views
that's kind of my whole point darius_sedai - 25/01/2010 08:43:19 PM 1258 Views
Uh, not actually at all really Sidious - 25/01/2010 09:07:52 PM 1563 Views
*shudders* Yondaime - 26/01/2010 02:27:35 AM 1420 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 08:47:21 AM 1467 Views
None of those "easy explanations" could work beetnemesis - 26/01/2010 07:14:16 AM 1373 Views
my entire problem with the scene is that it just felt too open ended darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 08:58:37 AM 1425 Views
Can't she knot it to disapate after being examined once? Rurouni_Kenshin - 26/01/2010 03:43:55 AM 1315 Views
Do we have evidence that this is possible? Yondaime - 26/01/2010 03:44:48 AM 1455 Views
why would Graendal do that anyway? Sidious - 26/01/2010 04:26:38 AM 1453 Views
Re: why would Graendal do that anyway? Rurouni_Kenshin - 03/02/2010 02:52:32 AM 1373 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 02:03:51 AM 1470 Views
I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 07:38:40 AM 1245 Views
Re: I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 08:49:00 AM 1433 Views
Re: I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. Lord Haart - 26/01/2010 09:19:35 AM 1254 Views
Moiraine probably learned it while researching with Adealas and Vandene. *NM* Gher - 26/01/2010 04:57:09 PM 940 Views
Sidious - 26/01/2010 11:42:04 AM 1426 Views
Didn't Balthamel and Aginor leave corpses? Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 04:35:19 PM 1449 Views
Re: Didn't Balthamel and Aginor leave corpses? Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:06:01 PM 1315 Views
Re: RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 04:44:06 PM 1425 Views
He was balefired by a direct stream in front of at least two credible witnesses. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 04:10:13 PM 1447 Views
Me, Too. The Name With No Man - 28/01/2010 08:00:09 PM 1416 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. Sidious - 25/01/2010 08:56:16 PM 1507 Views
I believe she's dead Sareitha Sedai - 25/01/2010 09:06:37 PM 1360 Views
Re: I believe she's dead Sidious - 25/01/2010 09:09:58 PM 1400 Views
I don't think she would have taught anyone Sareitha Sedai - 25/01/2010 09:18:03 PM 1269 Views
Besides, if it wasn't Graendal, it implies that she knew of Rand's plan, which is not feasible *NM* Shannow - 26/01/2010 02:01:41 PM 740 Views
The compulsion did not disappear immediately. Read the damned scene! fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 11:54:02 PM 1517 Views
Re: The compulsion did not disappear immediately. Read the damned scene! Underwood - 26/01/2010 01:22:57 AM 1271 Views
Stop passing judgments... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 02:05:21 AM 1468 Views
But your theories are becoming increasingly farfetched Sidious - 26/01/2010 04:21:21 AM 1353 Views
I repeat that I find her "death" monumental... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:16:13 PM 1334 Views
Re: I repeat that I find her "death" monumental... Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:23:29 PM 1364 Views
Dude, then you derailed the thread... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:31:55 PM 1237 Views
Not really Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:35:06 PM 1349 Views
Re: Not really fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:45:20 PM 1439 Views
Re: Not really Sidious - 28/01/2010 04:27:17 PM 1340 Views
Re: Stop passing judgments... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 04:40:37 PM 1326 Views
*NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 05:00:10 PM 706 Views
Everyone can see residues- only a select few can "read" them beetnemesis - 26/01/2010 07:42:19 AM 1400 Views
no she said she wouldn't risk strength and skill in the same place darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 08:51:31 AM 1292 Views
Re: no she said she wouldn't risk strength and skill in the same place Sidious - 26/01/2010 11:37:26 AM 1447 Views
read the whole quote darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 04:35:17 PM 1077 Views
LOL! You read the whole quote Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:00:41 PM 1224 Views
the risk she won't take is strength and skill residing together. darius_sedai - 27/01/2010 12:40:09 AM 1285 Views
Re: the risk she won't take is strength and skill residing together. Sidious - 28/01/2010 04:28:21 PM 1400 Views
I don't see any flaws. Skeeve the Great - 25/01/2010 09:14:44 PM 1499 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 11:44:49 PM 1237 Views
Re: But... Skeeve the Great - 26/01/2010 01:14:51 AM 1392 Views
That is what I thought ... Yondaime - 26/01/2010 01:24:18 AM 1274 Views
That still doesn't make sense. fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 02:23:12 AM 1482 Views
But, having a clean up guy does make sense. Yondaime - 26/01/2010 03:02:13 AM 1484 Views
But the clean up guy would require another clean up guy! fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 03:35:44 AM 1314 Views
Re: But the clean up guy would require another clean up guy! Yondaime - 26/01/2010 04:12:41 AM 1286 Views
Nonsense. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 07:50:04 AM 1195 Views
Dude, read what I said please... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:21:52 PM 1406 Views
Re: Dude, read what I said please... Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 09:28:25 PM 1369 Views
Kerb had no initiative... he was under too heavy a Compulsion to think for himself darius_sedai - 27/01/2010 12:45:47 AM 1242 Views
I think he had some, albeit probably not a whole lot Yondaime - 27/01/2010 01:03:44 AM 1297 Views
Nynaeve and Elayne were under a weaker compulsion... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2010 03:10:52 AM 1146 Views
We don't know that, exactly Yondaime - 27/01/2010 03:50:44 AM 1185 Views
If you cannot provide an answer... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2010 03:10:40 AM 1279 Views
Seriously? Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 03:55:57 AM 1323 Views
Maybe... Etzel - 27/01/2010 11:08:10 AM 1249 Views
Messenger was running around being obvious. Noone would suspect Kerb though. Case Closed. *NM* Lord Haart - 26/01/2010 11:08:16 AM 851 Views
Thank the creator you're not in the police then. *NM* fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:22:29 PM 812 Views
Ok, in more detail: Lord Haart - 26/01/2010 08:16:30 PM 1408 Views
I'm tired of making this point... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 08:39:22 PM 1151 Views
Re: I'm tired of making this point... Syraelle - 26/01/2010 08:44:51 PM 1314 Views
Thoughts Heiko - 26/01/2010 01:05:45 AM 1229 Views
But that means she's dead Skeeve the Great - 26/01/2010 01:20:19 AM 1306 Views
Re: But that means she's dead Heiko - 26/01/2010 05:31:25 AM 1396 Views
Nope. Ramshalan was just "collecting taxes" or something. Lord Haart - 26/01/2010 11:10:25 AM 1192 Views
Re: Nope. Ramshalan was NOT just "collecting taxes" or something. Syraelle - 26/01/2010 05:41:17 PM 1263 Views
By, the way, if I understand this correctly... Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 04:49:45 PM 1497 Views
Indeed... Etzel - 26/01/2010 05:13:53 PM 1462 Views
Re: Indeed... Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:04:40 PM 1312 Views
I'm not arguing she's alive, but... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:29:42 PM 1306 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Underwood - 26/01/2010 07:58:41 PM 1268 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 09:42:52 PM 1070 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2010 03:26:46 AM 1339 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 04:05:23 AM 1418 Views
That's not fair Yondaime - 27/01/2010 04:09:38 AM 1266 Views
I agree about the 'awesome' part . Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 05:41:00 AM 1218 Views
Does anybody have a link to it? (nothing on Google). I'm intrigued. *NM* Lord Haart - 27/01/2010 08:27:13 AM 751 Views
It was on Wotmania. Someone copied all the theories, but I don't recall whom. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 08:31:00 AM 877 Views
I just think it's funny that what you call omniscience has been done by the Forsaken before. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/01/2010 02:02:44 PM 1225 Views
But Graendal was the victim of a greater plot. Lord Haart - 27/01/2010 05:30:28 PM 1346 Views
So your response is that Ishamael/Moridin is omniscient, not Graendal. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/01/2010 05:57:20 PM 1447 Views
Re: So your response is that Ishamael/Moridin is omniscient, not Graendal. Lord Haart - 28/01/2010 04:05:21 AM 1417 Views
Give me one example. Just one. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 06:52:44 PM 824 Views
Ishamael plans millennia ahead by sowing the seeds for the Black Ajah, the Seanchan and the current RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 01:57:39 PM 1384 Views
Not even comparable. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 06:31:06 PM 1146 Views
Re: Not even comparable. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 07:50:38 PM 1284 Views
Could you please take the effort to read my posts? Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 10:45:01 PM 1239 Views
Re: Could you please take the effort to read my posts? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/01/2010 03:49:43 PM 1290 Views
Re: Could you please take the effort to read my posts? Fanatic-Templar - 29/01/2010 06:40:43 PM 1294 Views
And, just to double post: Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 07:12:17 PM 1037 Views
Re: And, just to double post: RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/01/2010 08:25:45 PM 1367 Views
Nice answer. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 12:10:27 AM 1345 Views
Re: Nice answer. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 01:55:16 PM 1286 Views
Hilarious. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 06:36:22 PM 1418 Views
Re: Hilarious. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 07:15:20 PM 1291 Views
Re: Hilarious. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 07:41:29 PM 1315 Views
Re: Hilarious. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 07:53:34 PM 1172 Views
Re: Hilarious. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 10:55:57 PM 1346 Views
That's because you didn't look at other posts. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/01/2010 03:37:08 PM 1288 Views
Moridin's main directive was.. Etzel - 29/01/2010 03:57:41 PM 1330 Views
Re: Moridin's main directive was.. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/01/2010 04:50:16 PM 1407 Views
Preventing order wasn't accomplished... Etzel - 29/01/2010 05:12:22 PM 1340 Views
I disagree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/01/2010 05:28:59 PM 1707 Views
I will stop our discussion here; the posts are already pushed too far to the right of my display. *NM* Etzel - 29/01/2010 06:14:29 PM 667 Views
You expect me to search every post you've made on this forum, ever? Fanatic-Templar - 29/01/2010 06:50:49 PM 1268 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Skeeve the Great - 27/01/2010 01:00:42 AM 1291 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2010 03:26:56 AM 1334 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Skeeve the Great - 27/01/2010 05:35:39 AM 1284 Views
I don't see a flaw rAndy aL - 27/01/2010 06:24:44 AM 1366 Views
Re: I don't see a flaw Underwood - 27/01/2010 04:18:27 PM 1348 Views
Yup, I'm tired of seeing arguments that ignore the need to back up their own claims. Lord Haart - 27/01/2010 05:47:16 PM 1322 Views
Let's give you one logic path for Millisair being poisoned. TheUltimateReality - 27/01/2010 05:47:04 PM 1333 Views
Spot on. *NM* Lord Haart - 28/01/2010 04:09:26 AM 816 Views
I don't think there's a flaw, I think you misinterpret Graendal's plans DomA - 27/01/2010 06:57:44 PM 1316 Views
Good point on Ituralde - he may still be Compulsed in ways we're yet to discover. *NM* Lord Haart - 28/01/2010 04:11:15 AM 787 Views
Compulsion is limited Sidious - 28/01/2010 04:30:24 PM 1269 Views
Re: Compulsion is limited Lord Haart - 28/01/2010 06:35:05 PM 1422 Views
Re: Compulsion is limited DomA - 28/01/2010 08:26:37 PM 1206 Views
Re: Graendal's death would imply a major logical flaw in the story. taura-tierno - 27/01/2010 09:11:32 PM 1302 Views
There's really no further purpose for her character. Libby - 09/02/2010 10:52:58 PM 1373 Views
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