Personally it makes more sense to me that this Trolloc army was sent to Ebou Dar for a specific purpose; if that is the case, the Tinkers are the most logically target, IMO. The idea that a remnant of the Shadowspawn army from KoD coincidentally clashed with Tylee near Ebou Dar seems rather far-fetched to me. I believe that this scene in the prologue shall basically announce that the Tinker will yet play an important part.
However, might be a nice question for BS, if these Shadowspawn troops in the prologue of TGS were originally a part of the Trolloc army from KoD.
BTW, nice to see you here around again!
However, might be a nice question for BS, if these Shadowspawn troops in the prologue of TGS were originally a part of the Trolloc army from KoD.
BTW, nice to see you here around again!
It wasn't "an army" as far as we know, but a band of indeterminate size. Not big enough to deal with Tylee's forces that must have looked battered after so long campaigning and walking, but was stronger than the Trollocs expected. After the initial surprise, Tylee's forces dealt with them.
The fact they attacked Tylee speaks against the idea they had another target, especially a covert mission. They fell on Tylee's forces, it's not like they did bump into them (it didn't look that way, anyway).
To have been on a "mission", it would have required Myrddraal with them. If there were Myddraal, they would not have let the Trollocs attack Tylee if they were supposed to sneak all the way to Ebou Dar secretely. It's also very strange that the Myddraal would have remained so close to the main road (where there are many soldiers and many villages and towns, it's one after another in this area, from Mat and Tuon's KOD travels).
This speaks of a band without Myrddraal to lead, and this in turn speak of a lost group without a specific aim, seizing opportunities the way Trollocs left to their own devices do. If that's the case, and in the light that we know only very recently Shadowspawn were forbidden to go out of the Blight, then the group most likely belonged to the forces sent to attack Rand in Tear, and got lost on the way. We happen to know there was a Waygate north of that location, which Mat passed on his way north in KOD.
Some believe their mission was to attack Tylee, but why? To prevent her from reporting about Malden and Perrin to Ebou Dar? As the Shadow would know about Seanchan, it's way too late for that: Tylee had a raken and sent her reports, and to'raken were sent to fetch her prisoners. Much easier to assassinate her and her officers than try to destroy her whole army if that was the goal, anyway. Pretty pointless to send a group of Trollocs to deal with an army with damane, too. Obviously, the Trollocs had little idea what they really got into attacking Tylee (which speaks against having Myrddraal to lead them, again).
There are others who believed this was a band (out of many) of Trollocs sent to find Tuon. That's not plausible. Semirhage didn't seem to care much one way or the other and already had Suroth doing that search, Moridin had just reminded the Forsaken at that time that Shadowspawn were ordered to stay in the Blight, and finally, that's not a job for groups of Trollocs. Ravens, Draghkars, greymen and even darkhounds, but not Trolloc bands. (not that I believe this is what the DH in WH were after, I still think they are after Fain who had vanished and could have been there but was actually further east, in Far Madding. I'm by no mean convinced, but I have an idea for what Fain may have done after vanishing out of Far Madding and where he is now.).
To get back to the Shadowspawn near Ebou Dar, this sounds to me like the sort of random, unplanned for consequences of someone's actions that RJ liked to pepper the series with. The Seanchan were not supposed to see Shadowspawn or find evidence of big Shadowspawn armies before TG. I don't think it's all Moridin has in mind by keeping them largely unseen, but I think it's part of it. The Light in general wasn't supposed to be reminded too often that Shadowspawn existed, and in massive numbers, especially not the areas that believe them legends. The more the Shadow used Shadowsapawn at large, the more it gave arguments for the Light to stop fighting one another and unite in face of the threat.
The ones near Ebou Dar were not enough to change Tuon's mind, but she was shaken, and started thinking about what else she believes to be legends to actually be true. When the Seanchan get stories of Shadowspawn armies now, they won't disbelieve them. If they get reports of Shadowspawn wiping out areas, they won't disbelieve them completely. This is a major blunder that eventually could have very serious repercussions, becoming one factor among others that could bring the Seanchan and the Westlands to an alliance. When you think about the fact the Seanchan didn't believe in Shadowspawn, then what exactly were they believing they'd face at Tarmon Gai'don? Some DF, some dreadlords, opposition from scheming AS and otherwise it was simply a matter of leashing Rand and dumping him at SG? That explains why they still don't see as "pure madness" their war of conquest on the eve of TG, why they don't grasp the real peril humanity is in, why they think that completing the Return, bring order to the world and having Rand serving them is enough to fight "the last battle".
That Shadowspawn attack in itself is not enough, but it sounds like a first seed that might grow into the Seanchan finally realising, too early to the Shadow's wishes, what the world is truly facing. That's not what the Shadow wanted, not quite, and it's another reason why I think the Shadow didn't send Shadowspawn anywhere near Ebou Dar, not on purpose.
This message last edited by DomA on 24/01/2010 at 10:45:39 PM
Any thoughts on the tinkers?
23/01/2010 05:29:53 PM
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Major part to play
23/01/2010 05:50:28 PM
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Tinkers don't really represent Order, since they are nonviolent.
23/01/2010 06:50:53 PM
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I like this ^
23/01/2010 10:59:31 PM
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Because no one's better at growing food that a nomadic group of wagoneers
24/01/2010 09:43:34 AM
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Well they do grow their own food, don't they? How could they afford to just buy it? *NM*
24/01/2010 11:04:12 AM
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Nah....
24/01/2010 05:18:01 PM
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They steal it (). But the song will make the land green again, according to the AoL scenes. *NM*
24/01/2010 03:43:09 PM
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I also believe that they will play a part yet..
24/01/2010 10:38:47 AM
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Brilliant! the scene is a bit mysterious otherwise
24/01/2010 03:46:37 PM
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Re: Brilliant! the scene is a bit mysterious otherwise
24/01/2010 05:52:36 PM
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They might be the Trollocs Fain left behind in The Great Hunt!
24/01/2010 06:20:47 PM
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I'm almost certain there's more to it than a "random" band of Trollocs
24/01/2010 07:03:56 PM
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Re: I'm almost certain there's more to it than a "random" band of Trollocs
24/01/2010 07:35:22 PM
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Re: I'm almost certain there's more to it than a "random" band of Trollocs
25/01/2010 06:50:31 AM
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Re: They might be the Trollocs Fain left behind in The Great Hunt!
24/01/2010 08:12:51 PM
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The reason is...
24/01/2010 07:10:01 PM
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Yes, they suck. Most boring and useless characters in the entire series. *NM*
24/01/2010 08:58:01 PM
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