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I considered that ... Shishka Send a noteboard - 18/01/2010 10:11:32 PM
and they seemingly revert back to about they age they were when they would have looked had they never taken the Oaths.


It's hard to say. Let's say that the normal lifespan for non-channelers is 75years. So, when a channeler starts channeling at age 15, let's say her remaining (unoathbound) years go from 60 to 600. That means, she ages at about 1/10th the "normal" rate of non-channelers. So, 2X that unoathbound rate (for oathbound channelers) would be 1/5th the normal rate.

Siuan and Leane had only been oathbound for ~20 years when they were stilled. Which means they aged 4 years (20/5) during that time. If the 2X rate reverted to 1X after they were stilled, then they would have only aged 2 years during that time, instead of 4. So, we're only talking about a visible age different of 2 years - two small, I think, to know whether the 2X affect was reversed or not.

I find this a giant hint/clue that you are correct and the only reason we haven't seen it when others remove the Oaths is that it takes some time to kick in (circumvented by Siuan and Leane due to the brutality involved). I suspect the 3 AS Rand Stilled will likely be showing signs of being unbound should we ever see them again.


If those 3 AS have been AS significantly longer than 20 years, their visibile appearance now would give us a better idea on this issue than Siuan and Leane.

I also seems to be logical to me that the AoL developers probably would have wanted a system that didn't have a long term affect on someone who was only going to be bound for a 100 years or something ... kind of like a prison sentence. Perhaps a first offense for something minor was along the lines of "you shall be bound for 50 years against crime X" if that 50 years took 100 years off of the persons life it's a much more severe punishment.


Agreed, otherwise they wouldn't have designed the Binder so that the oaths could be removed. Why design it so the oaths could be removed, if the lifespan affect couldn't also be reversed?
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Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Shishka - 18/01/2010 04:50:29 PM 2569 Views
I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Sidious - 18/01/2010 05:12:12 PM 1222 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye HyogaRott - 18/01/2010 05:43:26 PM 1116 Views
I like that idea ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:07:09 PM 998 Views
A little archaic though Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:58:04 PM 978 Views
Just because she's an academic ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:27:50 PM 1104 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Shishka - 18/01/2010 05:58:44 PM 987 Views
I don't think Messana would have fallen over dead Ryan - 18/01/2010 06:06:35 PM 1043 Views
I agree ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:15:25 PM 922 Views
I'm not sure Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:54:51 PM 951 Views
It didn't when Romanda retook her Oaths in TGS darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:13:20 PM 772 Views
Hmmm ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:24:51 PM 940 Views
No she unswore them and retook them darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:33:30 PM 996 Views
Yeah, I realized that after I posted, so I editted my post (again) ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:36:39 PM 960 Views
I'm not sure I follow darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:41:19 PM 964 Views
The point I was trying to make was ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:05:16 PM 753 Views
Now I get it ... seems needlessly complex for the Oath Rod though darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:21:35 PM 752 Views
Yes, this is what I was thinking *NM* PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 08:29:20 PM 376 Views
What you suggested is pretty much what I've always thought ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:39:30 PM 766 Views
yup darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:02:04 PM 652 Views
I'm with you, though ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 09:27:59 PM 917 Views
The closest evidence we have is a Stilled/Burned out woman darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:49:41 PM 754 Views
But if being unbound reverts you to your normal lifespan, then being bound isn't really a punishment *NM* PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 09:52:29 PM 386 Views
Sure it is darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 10:02:09 PM 794 Views
Also ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:13:38 PM 777 Views
I considered that ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:11:32 PM 878 Views
I doubt we'll ever really know darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 10:26:43 PM 793 Views
Re: I'm not sure Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:22:34 PM 820 Views
interesting darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:46:12 PM 656 Views
Re: interesting Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:18:11 PM 797 Views
see above *NM* darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:23:28 PM 409 Views
I think it more like aging them faster... PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 08:24:56 PM 851 Views
and given how things in the AoL works this seems far more likely darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:32:52 PM 813 Views
Re: I'm not sure HyogaRott - 20/01/2010 12:59:27 PM 804 Views
She's not immortal ... yet darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:15:03 PM 713 Views
The Dark Ones Mark possibly could black the oath rod? *NM* Kieran - 20/01/2010 01:28:08 AM 370 Views
No, that can't be it, because when AS become Black Ajah ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:53:21 PM 728 Views
But Alviarin's mark is different. Perhaps the mark of a FS is too *NM* darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:21:16 PM 350 Views
Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. *NM* Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:19:02 PM 370 Views
Re: Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. Kieran - 22/01/2010 01:52:51 AM 890 Views
actually it's different darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 07:32:18 AM 835 Views
actually I think it's the same... Kieran - 23/01/2010 01:49:19 AM 547 Views
Nup. Unlike the FS, her mark will not allow her to order Darkspawn (plus more). *NM* Lord Haart - 23/01/2010 11:50:36 AM 383 Views
Which has nothing to do with my post regarding the Oath rod... *NM* Kieran - 24/01/2010 10:44:59 PM 379 Views
One point... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 06:12:26 PM 953 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:21:22 PM 711 Views
here's another quote that gives us darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:12:09 PM 948 Views
FYI ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:50:22 PM 891 Views
Re: FYI ... Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:56:02 PM 944 Views
Therava channeled the flow, in that case ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:11:00 PM 624 Views
Yes Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 702 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Datakim - 18/01/2010 06:10:45 PM 765 Views
Re: Replacing it with a fake Logain - 18/01/2010 06:22:33 PM 751 Views
I highly doubt it ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:23:55 PM 805 Views
Why not ask somebody else to stand in for you? Artsapat - 19/01/2010 07:55:39 PM 855 Views
I like this idea. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:11:51 AM 353 Views
I agree... Etzel - 18/01/2010 06:55:33 PM 903 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod randfandom - 18/01/2010 09:43:34 PM 896 Views
I'm thinking the point of the thread is to discuss how to beat the Oath Rod, not Mesaana's disguise darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:59:18 PM 722 Views
Right, and also ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:17:11 PM 741 Views
Except that the best way to 'defeat' the Oath rod is - not to take the Oaths at all Lord Haart - 19/01/2010 03:18:43 AM 651 Views
IMHO... Great Lord of Chaos - 19/01/2010 03:41:10 AM 936 Views
Another interesting possibility Skeeve the Great - 19/01/2010 05:08:42 PM 743 Views
I'd say it was highly unlikely that the Binder/Oath Rod works that way. *NM* Shishka - 19/01/2010 06:06:49 PM 318 Views
We've seen pretty weird stuff happens before Skeeve the Great - 19/01/2010 06:30:12 PM 835 Views
Oh, I agree ... Shishka - 19/01/2010 06:47:52 PM 609 Views
Re: Oh, I agree ... found a few tidbits ... EDIT darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 758 Views
Heh, I had just dug up that quote myself, before I saw your edit ... Shishka - 19/01/2010 07:17:19 PM 773 Views
I agree, it seems as if Moghedien just effectively transmigrated Birgitte darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 10:00:45 PM 855 Views
she could just be posing as a non-channeler. badassashaman - 19/01/2010 05:52:01 PM 721 Views
If RJ/Brandon lied about that... then maybe Demandred is Taim after all. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:20:42 AM 323 Views
To speak no word that is not true Tor - 19/01/2010 10:06:30 PM 793 Views
Could there be a true word, though? Camilla - 20/01/2010 03:47:46 PM 1042 Views
I had a similar discussion with someone else, long ago ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 04:05:03 PM 703 Views
Or would just be able to say "true, true. True true true, true true." etc. *NM* Lord Haart - 21/01/2010 06:17:20 PM 364 Views
In going through some old RJ quotes I found this gem... darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 10:22:03 PM 1062 Views
Nice find! Not sure if that is a "way to defeat the Oath Rod" exactly, but it's certainly feasible. Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:19:51 AM 883 Views
Wow, that's great. I wonder what else can be created there, like sa'angeals, etc. BlackAdder - 20/01/2010 03:54:01 AM 681 Views
Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:42:55 PM 798 Views
Yes Etzel - 20/01/2010 03:03:53 PM 785 Views
Agreed - our guts are thinking alike again. *NM* Shishka - 20/01/2010 03:12:30 PM 353 Views
Indeed Etzel - 20/01/2010 03:28:12 PM 668 Views
Oh I agree! I just thought it was funny that RJ made such a quote darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:20:09 PM 778 Views
In the AoL... fionwe1987 - 20/01/2010 04:49:24 PM 864 Views
Re: In the AoL... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:17:55 PM 647 Views
I was thinking this too Sidious - 20/01/2010 07:18:19 PM 816 Views
Still seems like two oaths, to me, due to the "and" ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:27:03 PM 681 Views
The "and" means nothing... fionwe1987 - 20/01/2010 08:01:27 PM 628 Views
Re: Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... Great Lord of Chaos - 21/01/2010 05:24:18 AM 995 Views
I like it, mainly because it points to Mesaana being bested by Egwene in T'A'R RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 04:26:34 PM 687 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Mikerad - 20/01/2010 04:11:37 AM 779 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 07:28:39 AM 730 Views
It can't be that easy ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:51:47 PM 732 Views
maybe she warded herself before goin in or just set her frame of mind to beat it *NM* nigelgoboom - 21/01/2010 02:07:17 AM 405 Views
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