The closest evidence we have is a Stilled/Burned out woman
darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 18/01/2010 09:49:41 PM
... If I were an AoL AS, I would design the Binder to work as you suggested, not as Sidious suggested. Then it could be used on any channeler of any age.
Plus, I can't really think of any reason why RJ would have wanted it to work like Sidious suggested. All it does is limit who could be Bound with it, so it would eliminate old channelers, like the Kin, from being candidates. That's it, really.
But, it seems Egwene's idea now is for AS to continue to swear the 3 oaths when they are first raised, and then unswear the oaths when they are ready to retire, so that they can live out their allotted, unbound lifespans. That assumes, though, that when an AS unswears the oaths, her lifespan reverts back to what it would have been had she never sworn them in the first place.
But that's something else I've wondered about. One possibility I've considered is that, when oath-bound, a channeler ages at (say) 2X the rate she would if not oath-bound, and she can never reversed the effects of that aging.
For example:
Person X non oath-bound lifespan = 600 years.
Person X swears 3 oaths at age 30, when she becomes AS. During those first 30 years, she's aged 30 years out of the 600.
Person X remains oathbound for 200 years (to age 230), during which time she's aged 400 years (2X the normal rate).
Person X retires to the Kin and unswears the oaths. She now has (600-30)-400 = 170 years of life remaining, so she'll die at 400.
If that were the case, then the AS would be crazy to continue to use the oath rod. But, if the 2X aging that person X experienced while oathbound reverses affect (back to 1X) when she unswears, so that she can live out her remaining 370 years, then the AS could continue using the oath rod without undue affect on their lifespans. My guess is, that's how it actually works.
Plus, I can't really think of any reason why RJ would have wanted it to work like Sidious suggested. All it does is limit who could be Bound with it, so it would eliminate old channelers, like the Kin, from being candidates. That's it, really.
But, it seems Egwene's idea now is for AS to continue to swear the 3 oaths when they are first raised, and then unswear the oaths when they are ready to retire, so that they can live out their allotted, unbound lifespans. That assumes, though, that when an AS unswears the oaths, her lifespan reverts back to what it would have been had she never sworn them in the first place.
But that's something else I've wondered about. One possibility I've considered is that, when oath-bound, a channeler ages at (say) 2X the rate she would if not oath-bound, and she can never reversed the effects of that aging.
For example:
Person X non oath-bound lifespan = 600 years.
Person X swears 3 oaths at age 30, when she becomes AS. During those first 30 years, she's aged 30 years out of the 600.
Person X remains oathbound for 200 years (to age 230), during which time she's aged 400 years (2X the normal rate).
Person X retires to the Kin and unswears the oaths. She now has (600-30)-400 = 170 years of life remaining, so she'll die at 400.
If that were the case, then the AS would be crazy to continue to use the oath rod. But, if the 2X aging that person X experienced while oathbound reverses affect (back to 1X) when she unswears, so that she can live out her remaining 370 years, then the AS could continue using the oath rod without undue affect on their lifespans. My guess is, that's how it actually works.
and they seemingly revert back to about they age they were when they would have looked had they never taken the Oaths. I find this a giant hint/clue that you are correct and the only reason we haven't seen it when others remove the Oaths is that it takes some time to kick in (circumvented by Siuan and Leane due to the brutality involved). I suspect the 3 AS Rand Stilled will likely be showing signs of being unbound should we ever see them again.
I also seems to be logical to me that the AoL developers probably would have wanted a system that didn't have a long term affect on someone who was only going to be bound for a 100 years or something ... kind of like a prison sentence. Perhaps a first offense for something minor was along the lines of "you shall be bound for 50 years against crime X" if that 50 years took 100 years off of the persons life it's a much more severe punishment.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod
18/01/2010 04:50:29 PM
- 2569 Views
I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye
18/01/2010 05:12:12 PM
- 1222 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye
18/01/2010 05:43:26 PM
- 1116 Views
I like that idea ...
18/01/2010 06:07:09 PM
- 998 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye
18/01/2010 05:58:44 PM
- 987 Views
I don't think Messana would have fallen over dead
18/01/2010 06:06:35 PM
- 1043 Views
I agree ...
18/01/2010 06:15:25 PM
- 922 Views
I'm not sure
18/01/2010 06:54:51 PM
- 951 Views
It didn't when Romanda retook her Oaths in TGS
18/01/2010 07:13:20 PM
- 773 Views
Hmmm ...
18/01/2010 07:24:51 PM
- 940 Views
No she unswore them and retook them
18/01/2010 07:33:30 PM
- 996 Views
Yeah, I realized that after I posted, so I editted my post (again) ...
18/01/2010 07:36:39 PM
- 960 Views
I'm not sure I follow
18/01/2010 07:41:19 PM
- 964 Views
The point I was trying to make was ...
18/01/2010 08:05:16 PM
- 753 Views
Now I get it ... seems needlessly complex for the Oath Rod though
18/01/2010 08:21:35 PM
- 752 Views
What you suggested is pretty much what I've always thought ...
18/01/2010 08:39:30 PM
- 766 Views
yup
18/01/2010 09:02:04 PM
- 653 Views
I'm with you, though ...
18/01/2010 09:27:59 PM
- 918 Views
The closest evidence we have is a Stilled/Burned out woman
18/01/2010 09:49:41 PM
- 755 Views
But if being unbound reverts you to your normal lifespan, then being bound isn't really a punishment *NM*
18/01/2010 09:52:29 PM
- 386 Views
Re: I'm not sure
18/01/2010 07:22:34 PM
- 820 Views
interesting
18/01/2010 07:46:12 PM
- 657 Views
Re: interesting
18/01/2010 08:18:11 PM
- 798 Views
The Dark Ones Mark possibly could black the oath rod? *NM*
20/01/2010 01:28:08 AM
- 371 Views
No, that can't be it, because when AS become Black Ajah ...
20/01/2010 02:53:21 PM
- 728 Views
But Alviarin's mark is different. Perhaps the mark of a FS is too *NM*
20/01/2010 04:21:16 PM
- 350 Views
Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. *NM*
20/01/2010 07:19:02 PM
- 370 Views
Re: Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting.
22/01/2010 01:52:51 AM
- 891 Views
actually it's different
22/01/2010 07:32:18 AM
- 835 Views
actually I think it's the same...
23/01/2010 01:49:19 AM
- 547 Views
Nup. Unlike the FS, her mark will not allow her to order Darkspawn (plus more). *NM*
23/01/2010 11:50:36 AM
- 383 Views
Which has nothing to do with my post regarding the Oath rod... *NM*
24/01/2010 10:44:59 PM
- 379 Views
One point...
18/01/2010 06:12:26 PM
- 954 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod
18/01/2010 09:43:34 PM
- 897 Views
I'm thinking the point of the thread is to discuss how to beat the Oath Rod, not Mesaana's disguise
18/01/2010 09:59:18 PM
- 722 Views
Right, and also ...
18/01/2010 10:17:11 PM
- 741 Views
Except that the best way to 'defeat' the Oath rod is - not to take the Oaths at all
19/01/2010 03:18:43 AM
- 652 Views
Another interesting possibility
19/01/2010 05:08:42 PM
- 743 Views
I'd say it was highly unlikely that the Binder/Oath Rod works that way. *NM*
19/01/2010 06:06:49 PM
- 318 Views
We've seen pretty weird stuff happens before
19/01/2010 06:30:12 PM
- 836 Views
Oh, I agree ...
19/01/2010 06:47:52 PM
- 609 Views
Re: Oh, I agree ... found a few tidbits ... EDIT
19/01/2010 06:55:22 PM
- 758 Views
Heh, I had just dug up that quote myself, before I saw your edit ...
19/01/2010 07:17:19 PM
- 773 Views
I agree, it seems as if Moghedien just effectively transmigrated Birgitte
19/01/2010 10:00:45 PM
- 856 Views
she could just be posing as a non-channeler.
19/01/2010 05:52:01 PM
- 721 Views
If RJ/Brandon lied about that... then maybe Demandred is Taim after all. *NM*
20/01/2010 03:20:42 AM
- 323 Views
To speak no word that is not true
19/01/2010 10:06:30 PM
- 793 Views
Could there be a true word, though?
20/01/2010 03:47:46 PM
- 1043 Views
I had a similar discussion with someone else, long ago ...
20/01/2010 04:05:03 PM
- 703 Views
Or would just be able to say "true, true. True true true, true true." etc. *NM*
21/01/2010 06:17:20 PM
- 364 Views
In going through some old RJ quotes I found this gem...
19/01/2010 10:22:03 PM
- 1062 Views
Nice find! Not sure if that is a "way to defeat the Oath Rod" exactly, but it's certainly feasible.
20/01/2010 03:19:51 AM
- 883 Views
Wow, that's great. I wonder what else can be created there, like sa'angeals, etc.
20/01/2010 03:54:01 AM
- 681 Views
Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ...
20/01/2010 02:42:55 PM
- 798 Views
Yes
20/01/2010 03:03:53 PM
- 786 Views
Oh I agree! I just thought it was funny that RJ made such a quote
20/01/2010 04:20:09 PM
- 778 Views
In the AoL...
20/01/2010 04:49:24 PM
- 865 Views
I was thinking this too
20/01/2010 07:18:19 PM
- 816 Views
I like it, mainly because it points to Mesaana being bested by Egwene in T'A'R
21/01/2010 04:26:34 PM
- 688 Views
maybe she warded herself before goin in or just set her frame of mind to beat it *NM*
21/01/2010 02:07:17 AM
- 406 Views