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Yes... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM

One could also argue that a renegade Eelfinn gave Elza this knowledge, or something like that, simply because this statement doesn't preclude it. The point is that nothing suggests that Graendal was involved, and since this idea actually differs from what we see in the book, namely only SH and Elza present, one has to give evidence for this Graendal-idea if one thinks it's that likely. As said, also all of BS's other quotes on this topic indicate that only SH and Elza were involved, because only they are mentioned.


The problem here is not that I'm using Brandon's case to support our theory. I'm not. All I'm saying is you can't use it to prove me wrong. You have to come up with something else.

If I did claim that an Eelfinn gave Elza the knowledge, you cannot disprove it by this statement from Brandon. There's a load of other evidence against that, unlike my claim that Graendal helped.
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Elza's Compulsion - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 1950 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 895 Views
I disagree - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 739 Views
except work with Semirhage! - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 677 Views
Well... - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 744 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 266 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 242 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 582 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 216 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 515 Views
The question is... - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 535 Views
Re: The question is... - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 524 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 562 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 527 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 548 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 520 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 881 Views
I know... - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 740 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 821 Views
That doesn't prove anything... - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 766 Views
It proves enough for me ... - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 651 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 491 Views
not really - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 512 Views
I don't understand your theory - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 503 Views
It's very simple - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 494 Views
So in other words - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 611 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 513 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 538 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 540 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 533 Views
But... - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 521 Views
Exactly my point - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 556 Views
But by this logic... - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 494 Views
Yes... - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 551 Views
While you are right... - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 538 Views
as we've discussed in another thread - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 917 Views
I mean... - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 535 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 555 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 495 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 240 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 742 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 776 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 579 Views
I have a hard time... - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 593 Views
I agree with you - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 515 Views
and you may very well be correct - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 733 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 600 Views
Anything is possible ... - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 605 Views
who knows - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 577 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 483 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 662 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 544 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 515 Views
Good point! - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 597 Views
Re: Good point! - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 491 Views
I agree - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 487 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 559 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 556 Views
damn double posting - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 498 Views
As it is often the case... - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 597 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 553 Views
Well... - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 442 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 486 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 592 Views
Uhhh? - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 733 Views
One point - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 688 Views
Re: One point - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 604 Views
Elza truly believes that... - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 602 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 652 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 582 Views
fair enough - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 640 Views
Not quite - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 628 Views

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