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Good point ... Shishka Send a noteboard - 18/01/2010 06:21:22 PM
That's not always true, actually. Egwene wove spirit into the rod herself, as did Romanda, IIRC.


Yeah, I think you're right. I couldn't remember if it happened the way I said in every instance, but I was pretty sure that was the "normal" practice.

It is very possible that with 300 or so channelers to test, Egwene allowed them to channel spirit into the Rod themselves, rather than channeling for hours on end.


It didn't have to be the same person who channeled for hours. Egwene could have had the person who was just Bound be the channeler of Spirit for the next Bindee, for example.

But the bottom line is, we don't know how it was done. It's possible the Bindees channeled themselves.

Personally, though, I'd prefer the idea of some kind of inverted glove that prevented Mesaana from touching the OR.


Me too - that's the best suggestion I've seen, so far.
Rise and fall, turn the Wheel,
'cause all life is
is really just a circle.

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Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Shishka - 18/01/2010 04:50:29 PM 2559 Views
I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Sidious - 18/01/2010 05:12:12 PM 1215 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye HyogaRott - 18/01/2010 05:43:26 PM 1111 Views
I like that idea ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:07:09 PM 990 Views
A little archaic though Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:58:04 PM 968 Views
Just because she's an academic ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:27:50 PM 1096 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Shishka - 18/01/2010 05:58:44 PM 981 Views
I don't think Messana would have fallen over dead Ryan - 18/01/2010 06:06:35 PM 1037 Views
I agree ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:15:25 PM 916 Views
I'm not sure Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:54:51 PM 941 Views
It didn't when Romanda retook her Oaths in TGS darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:13:20 PM 764 Views
Hmmm ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:24:51 PM 933 Views
No she unswore them and retook them darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:33:30 PM 988 Views
Yeah, I realized that after I posted, so I editted my post (again) ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:36:39 PM 954 Views
I'm not sure I follow darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:41:19 PM 953 Views
The point I was trying to make was ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:05:16 PM 747 Views
Now I get it ... seems needlessly complex for the Oath Rod though darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:21:35 PM 744 Views
Yes, this is what I was thinking *NM* PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 08:29:20 PM 370 Views
What you suggested is pretty much what I've always thought ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:39:30 PM 755 Views
yup darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:02:04 PM 645 Views
I'm with you, though ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 09:27:59 PM 909 Views
The closest evidence we have is a Stilled/Burned out woman darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:49:41 PM 747 Views
But if being unbound reverts you to your normal lifespan, then being bound isn't really a punishment *NM* PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 09:52:29 PM 380 Views
Sure it is darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 10:02:09 PM 786 Views
Also ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:13:38 PM 768 Views
I considered that ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:11:32 PM 871 Views
I doubt we'll ever really know darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 10:26:43 PM 786 Views
Re: I'm not sure Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:22:34 PM 811 Views
interesting darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:46:12 PM 650 Views
Re: interesting Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:18:11 PM 792 Views
see above *NM* darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:23:28 PM 406 Views
I think it more like aging them faster... PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 08:24:56 PM 842 Views
and given how things in the AoL works this seems far more likely darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:32:52 PM 806 Views
Re: I'm not sure HyogaRott - 20/01/2010 12:59:27 PM 798 Views
She's not immortal ... yet darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:15:03 PM 706 Views
The Dark Ones Mark possibly could black the oath rod? *NM* Kieran - 20/01/2010 01:28:08 AM 367 Views
No, that can't be it, because when AS become Black Ajah ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:53:21 PM 720 Views
But Alviarin's mark is different. Perhaps the mark of a FS is too *NM* darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:21:16 PM 341 Views
Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. *NM* Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:19:02 PM 366 Views
Re: Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. Kieran - 22/01/2010 01:52:51 AM 884 Views
actually it's different darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 07:32:18 AM 830 Views
actually I think it's the same... Kieran - 23/01/2010 01:49:19 AM 539 Views
Nup. Unlike the FS, her mark will not allow her to order Darkspawn (plus more). *NM* Lord Haart - 23/01/2010 11:50:36 AM 379 Views
Which has nothing to do with my post regarding the Oath rod... *NM* Kieran - 24/01/2010 10:44:59 PM 374 Views
One point... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 06:12:26 PM 947 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:21:22 PM 702 Views
here's another quote that gives us darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:12:09 PM 938 Views
FYI ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:50:22 PM 885 Views
Re: FYI ... Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:56:02 PM 932 Views
Therava channeled the flow, in that case ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:11:00 PM 617 Views
Yes Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 689 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Datakim - 18/01/2010 06:10:45 PM 755 Views
Re: Replacing it with a fake Logain - 18/01/2010 06:22:33 PM 741 Views
I highly doubt it ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:23:55 PM 800 Views
Why not ask somebody else to stand in for you? Artsapat - 19/01/2010 07:55:39 PM 850 Views
I like this idea. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:11:51 AM 349 Views
I agree... Etzel - 18/01/2010 06:55:33 PM 897 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod randfandom - 18/01/2010 09:43:34 PM 890 Views
I'm thinking the point of the thread is to discuss how to beat the Oath Rod, not Mesaana's disguise darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:59:18 PM 717 Views
Right, and also ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:17:11 PM 735 Views
Except that the best way to 'defeat' the Oath rod is - not to take the Oaths at all Lord Haart - 19/01/2010 03:18:43 AM 639 Views
IMHO... Great Lord of Chaos - 19/01/2010 03:41:10 AM 924 Views
Another interesting possibility Skeeve the Great - 19/01/2010 05:08:42 PM 735 Views
I'd say it was highly unlikely that the Binder/Oath Rod works that way. *NM* Shishka - 19/01/2010 06:06:49 PM 316 Views
We've seen pretty weird stuff happens before Skeeve the Great - 19/01/2010 06:30:12 PM 825 Views
Oh, I agree ... Shishka - 19/01/2010 06:47:52 PM 604 Views
Re: Oh, I agree ... found a few tidbits ... EDIT darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 752 Views
Heh, I had just dug up that quote myself, before I saw your edit ... Shishka - 19/01/2010 07:17:19 PM 767 Views
I agree, it seems as if Moghedien just effectively transmigrated Birgitte darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 10:00:45 PM 845 Views
she could just be posing as a non-channeler. badassashaman - 19/01/2010 05:52:01 PM 716 Views
If RJ/Brandon lied about that... then maybe Demandred is Taim after all. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:20:42 AM 318 Views
To speak no word that is not true Tor - 19/01/2010 10:06:30 PM 785 Views
Could there be a true word, though? Camilla - 20/01/2010 03:47:46 PM 1036 Views
I had a similar discussion with someone else, long ago ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 04:05:03 PM 689 Views
Or would just be able to say "true, true. True true true, true true." etc. *NM* Lord Haart - 21/01/2010 06:17:20 PM 360 Views
In going through some old RJ quotes I found this gem... darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 10:22:03 PM 1051 Views
Nice find! Not sure if that is a "way to defeat the Oath Rod" exactly, but it's certainly feasible. Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:19:51 AM 875 Views
Wow, that's great. I wonder what else can be created there, like sa'angeals, etc. BlackAdder - 20/01/2010 03:54:01 AM 673 Views
Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:42:55 PM 790 Views
Yes Etzel - 20/01/2010 03:03:53 PM 779 Views
Agreed - our guts are thinking alike again. *NM* Shishka - 20/01/2010 03:12:30 PM 348 Views
Indeed Etzel - 20/01/2010 03:28:12 PM 660 Views
Oh I agree! I just thought it was funny that RJ made such a quote darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:20:09 PM 772 Views
In the AoL... fionwe1987 - 20/01/2010 04:49:24 PM 857 Views
Re: In the AoL... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:17:55 PM 639 Views
I was thinking this too Sidious - 20/01/2010 07:18:19 PM 809 Views
Still seems like two oaths, to me, due to the "and" ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:27:03 PM 676 Views
The "and" means nothing... fionwe1987 - 20/01/2010 08:01:27 PM 619 Views
Re: Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... Great Lord of Chaos - 21/01/2010 05:24:18 AM 989 Views
I like it, mainly because it points to Mesaana being bested by Egwene in T'A'R RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 04:26:34 PM 679 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Mikerad - 20/01/2010 04:11:37 AM 773 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 07:28:39 AM 725 Views
It can't be that easy ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:51:47 PM 725 Views
maybe she warded herself before goin in or just set her frame of mind to beat it *NM* nigelgoboom - 21/01/2010 02:07:17 AM 399 Views
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