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always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM
unless you have a more direct quote outright stating that SH implanted knowledge into Elza?


If there is anything in the quotes to support that Graendal was present. All quotes I know just mention SH and Elza.


The evidence points to her (most likely, could have been Cyndane or Mghedien as well) presence along the line.

You are extrapolating a lot from a single comment that Elza had been made into SH's tool... I am extrapolating a lot based on her being taught weaves. We'll have to RAFO or wait for Brandon to say more to know more.


If only to keep us guessing


I think if there really wasn't any other Forsaken involved, he would dismiss this, since it isn't even indicated in the book. At least it would be worth the try!
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Elza's Compulsion Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 2203 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 1122 Views
I disagree Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 994 Views
except work with Semirhage! darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 940 Views
Well... Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 1085 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 387 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* Etzel - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 339 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 807 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 315 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 734 Views
The question is... Etzel - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 753 Views
Re: The question is... darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 743 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 841 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 766 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 809 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 784 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 1142 Views
I know... Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 978 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 1064 Views
That doesn't prove anything... fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 997 Views
It proves enough for me ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 913 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... Sidious - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 712 Views
not really darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 762 Views
I don't understand your theory Sidious - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 716 Views
It's very simple darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 715 Views
So in other words Sidious - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 832 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct darius_sedai - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 739 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct Sidious - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 766 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 747 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer Sidious - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 789 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 747 Views
Exactly my point darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 764 Views
But by this logic... Etzel - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 714 Views
Yes... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 754 Views
While you are right... Etzel - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 743 Views
as we've discussed in another thread darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 1148 Views
I mean... Etzel - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 784 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 780 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. Etzel - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 708 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 333 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... Etzel - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 965 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 1003 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 846 Views
I have a hard time... Etzel - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 840 Views
I agree with you Sidious - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 806 Views
and you may very well be correct darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 990 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 817 Views
Anything is possible ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 829 Views
who knows darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 796 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... Shishka - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 700 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 889 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end Shishka - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 776 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 726 Views
Good point! Etzel - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 819 Views
Re: Good point! Shishka - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 716 Views
I agree Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 698 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 776 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me Shishka - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 798 Views
this makes my head hurt ... or maybe all that red wine I drank last night is doing that darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 07:04:23 PM 765 Views
damn double posting darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 703 Views
As it is often the case... Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 805 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 765 Views
Well... Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 660 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 711 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 816 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 1014 Views
One point darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 889 Views
Re: One point Oberonus - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 829 Views
Elza truly believes that... fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 829 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 883 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. Cannoli - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 828 Views
fair enough darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 849 Views
Not quite rAndy aL - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 847 Views
But that could mean that they were to start the LB between Rand and the Great Lord immediately *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 16/01/2010 01:04:32 PM 333 Views
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