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Re: Here is a quote by RJ Datakim Send a noteboard - 16/01/2010 03:26:13 PM

He obviously treats SaSG as cannon here, and I think it wouldn't make much sense to write this piece to explain the readers what happened then (apparently RJ couldn't put all the info into the series that well), but that this explanation is actually wrong. But as said, while it isn't explicitely stated, I think it's possible that ta'veren or the influence of the Pattern was also a reason, why the women refused to help LTT, besides the political quarrels.

Okay, I found the text and here is a quote from the very beginning of the actual story of tSaSG:

by Jorille Mondevin,
Royal Historian to the Court of
Her Most Illuminated Majesty, Ethenielle Kirukon Materasu,
By the Blessing of the Light,
Queen of Kandor,
Protector of the Land,
Shield of the North,
High Seat of House Materasu.

Then we get the text.

And at the end we get:

The most suitable comment surely comes from what appears to be the introduction of the fragmentary manuscript. “Whoever read this, if any remain to read it, weep for us who have no more tears. Pray for us who are damned alive.”

There are several more references to this "manuscript". So yes, obviously the text is canon. But it is canon the way the books are canon, and not the way something RJ said directly to the fans is.

Moiraine may say something in the books, this is canon, but it can also be incorrect since Moiraine is WRONG.

Just like it is canon that the manuscript was found in WoT, and that this Jorille Mondevin wrote tSaSG based on that, and that just like Moiraine, she could be WRONG!

See what I mean? tSaSG is not to be dismissed, but the way RJ wrote it also means that if parts of it are proven incorrect in the final books, its not a case of being inconsistent, but rather a case of the book(which RJ said was written by a scholar in WoT world) being wrong since the "manuscript" was partially inaccurate or mistranslations happened or such.

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LTT and the bore. Datakim - 16/01/2010 02:50:34 AM 1345 Views

I think there is a scene in KoD or CoT Ryan - 16/01/2010 02:57:13 AM 647 Views

Re: I think there is a scene in KoD or CoT Datakim - 16/01/2010 03:23:14 AM 674 Views

I always thought the scene with Cadsuane an empty threat... Voscaia Sedai - 16/01/2010 12:28:17 PM 567 Views

It's in KoD, but I don't know exactly what it's got to do with this? darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 06:51:37 AM 494 Views

Re: It's in KoD, but I don't know exactly what it's got to do with this? Ryan - 19/01/2010 05:13:26 AM 503 Views

You'll need to provide the quote then ... otherwise I'm not sure what you are talking about darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:14:20 AM 445 Views

It had to be a circle of six men and six women... fionwe1987 - 16/01/2010 03:18:16 AM 610 Views

there is no such thing as a circle of 6 and 6 darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 03:35:17 AM 523 Views

Re: It had to be a circle of six men and six women... Datakim - 16/01/2010 03:37:49 AM 595 Views

Here's the quote... fionwe1987 - 16/01/2010 06:02:49 AM 647 Views

Re: Here's the quote... Datakim - 16/01/2010 04:00:11 PM 530 Views

I think it's more like a woman of Sorilea's strength than Nynaeve's that he worried about darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:19:24 PM 482 Views

Dude, you seem to not read what is written... fionwe1987 - 16/01/2010 07:28:27 PM 543 Views

Hmm... Sidious - 18/01/2010 11:21:41 AM 480 Views

It could be that the Pattern Made LPD a Ta'varen for a period of time... MightyYT - 16/01/2010 04:03:14 AM 527 Views

I think... Etzel - 16/01/2010 11:31:18 AM 639 Views

Re: I think... Datakim - 16/01/2010 01:27:40 PM 581 Views

In my view... Etzel - 16/01/2010 01:50:03 PM 452 Views

Re: In my view... Datakim - 16/01/2010 02:11:20 PM 457 Views

We know... Etzel - 16/01/2010 02:43:41 PM 571 Views

Its presented as fact Ryan - 16/01/2010 03:00:33 PM 462 Views

Here is a quote by RJ Etzel - 16/01/2010 03:10:28 PM 488 Views

Re: Here is a quote by RJ Datakim - 16/01/2010 03:26:13 PM 542 Views

In my opinion Etzel - 16/01/2010 03:51:02 PM 439 Views

RJ was as slippery as an AS! darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:31:02 PM 444 Views

Re: RJ was as slippery as an AS! Ryan - 18/01/2010 06:09:40 AM 413 Views

RJ could be tricky, true... Etzel - 19/01/2010 02:56:05 PM 419 Views

RJ changed his mind about a lot of stuff throughout the series darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 06:35:09 PM 460 Views

Re: We know... Datakim - 16/01/2010 03:17:54 PM 518 Views

It's in any case clear... Etzel - 16/01/2010 03:27:49 PM 421 Views

Re: It's in any case clear... Datakim - 16/01/2010 03:44:33 PM 463 Views

I don't think Etzel - 16/01/2010 03:56:25 PM 466 Views

The question is how many people were still alive? Ryan - 18/01/2010 06:19:49 AM 506 Views

Indeed. *NM* Etzel - 19/01/2010 02:47:58 PM 176 Views

Did you read my second post? *NM* fionwe1987 - 16/01/2010 03:42:23 PM 291 Views

I spent a lot of time thinking on the population issue too. I think it was a matter of ... amirebram - 18/01/2010 07:51:31 PM 521 Views

My Thoughts Nolan - 16/01/2010 09:43:33 PM 453 Views

Wow, that's an interesting point. It's even more signnificant since T'A'R is supposed to ... amirebram - 18/01/2010 07:36:35 PM 417 Views

The women needed to balance the men Cannoli - 18/01/2010 12:12:27 PM 501 Views

What if Rand usesTP to off the DO? super nova - 22/01/2010 05:54:13 PM 445 Views

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He obviously treats SaSG as cannon here, and I think it wouldn't make much sense to write this piece to explain the readers what happened then (apparently RJ couldn't put all the info into the series that well), but that this explanation is actually wrong. But as said, while it isn't explicitely stated, I think it's possible that ta'veren or the influence of the Pattern was also a reason, why the women refused to help LTT, besides the political quarrels.</quote>

Okay, I found the text and here is a quote from the very beginning of the actual story of tSaSG:

<quote>
by Jorille Mondevin,
Royal Historian to the Court of
Her Most Illuminated Majesty, Ethenielle Kirukon Materasu,
By the Blessing of the Light,
Queen of Kandor,
Protector of the Land,
Shield of the North,
High Seat of House Materasu.
</quote>

Then we get the text.

And at the end we get:
<quote>
The most suitable comment surely comes from what appears to be the introduction of the fragmentary manuscript. “Whoever read this, if any remain to read it, weep for us who have no more tears. Pray for us who are damned alive.”
</quote>

There are several more references to this "manuscript". So yes, obviously the text is canon. But it is canon the way the books are canon, and not the way something RJ said directly to the fans is.

Moiraine may say something in the books, this is canon, but it can also be incorrect since Moiraine is WRONG.

Just like it is canon that the manuscript was found in WoT, and that this Jorille Mondevin wrote tSaSG based on that, and that just like Moiraine, she could be WRONG!

See what I mean? tSaSG is not to be dismissed, but the way RJ wrote it also means that if parts of it are proven incorrect in the final books, its not a case of being inconsistent, but rather a case of the book(which RJ said was written by a scholar in WoT world) being wrong since the "manuscript" was partially inaccurate or mistranslations happened or such.
</quote>

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