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As it is often the case... Etzel Send a noteboard - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM
There are basically two views concerning, which certainly both have their problems, and everyone has to decide what seems more likely to him.

You apparently believe that there is more going on, namely that Graendal was in the house (either by coincidence or by SH's orders), Delved Elza but didn't remove the Compulsion for some reason, taught Elza the important weaves to open the box, but didn't fetch the DM herself, and left the house again. It seems that there is nothing to support your view, except for your opinion that only a channeler could give Elza the knowledge about the weaves.

On the other hand, I believe that there really was only SH and Elza, as it seems to be in the book. Also all of BS's quotes about this scene only mention SH and Elza, e.g. that Elza was essential for SH, which doesn't really fit with the idea that Graendal was there as well. We know that SH and the DO can give DF gifts and change them. It doesn't seem that far-fetched to me that he could also give certain knowledge, but couldn't remove the Compulsion, which is mentioned as being quite difficult, especially because we don't know the amount of SH's powers.

However, we can't be sure, though I would say it's your job to provide evidence that Graendal was there, since this theory differs from what we see in the book.

Would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken involved (and as others said, Cyndane, Moghedien and even Mesaana are basically as likely as Graendal then). If he answers "RAFO", there might be something to your idea.
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Elza's Compulsion - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 1889 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 819 Views
I disagree - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 675 Views
except work with Semirhage! - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 603 Views
Well... - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 674 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 239 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 214 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 511 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 202 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 453 Views
The question is... - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 470 Views
Re: The question is... - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 448 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 485 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 460 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 471 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 460 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 809 Views
I know... - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 671 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 751 Views
That doesn't prove anything... - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 687 Views
It proves enough for me ... - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 583 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 424 Views
not really - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 473 Views
I don't understand your theory - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 435 Views
It's very simple - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 424 Views
So in other words - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 544 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 441 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 469 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 455 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 457 Views
But... - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 453 Views
Exactly my point - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 494 Views
But by this logic... - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 456 Views
Yes... - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 500 Views
While you are right... - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 471 Views
as we've discussed in another thread - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 846 Views
I mean... - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 464 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 483 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 421 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 213 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 673 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 704 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 505 Views
I have a hard time... - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 513 Views
I agree with you - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 443 Views
and you may very well be correct - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 664 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 539 Views
Anything is possible ... - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 538 Views
who knows - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 507 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 442 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 593 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 468 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 444 Views
Good point! - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 525 Views
Re: Good point! - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 420 Views
I agree - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 407 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 490 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 485 Views
damn double posting - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 430 Views
As it is often the case... - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 522 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 481 Views
Well... - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 381 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 421 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 521 Views
Uhhh? - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 668 Views
One point - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 610 Views
Re: One point - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 533 Views
Elza truly believes that... - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 538 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 578 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 513 Views
fair enough - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 558 Views
Not quite - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 562 Views

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