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Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM
That scenario is much more plausible, I think, than the one that places Graendal (or any other FS) in the manor with SH.

In fact, if it weren't for BS's Q&A comments on the matter, I'd think this was the most likely scenario. It's just that, BS's comments seem to imply that it was SH who gave her the knowledge of the weaves. So, if I were a betting man, I'd put my money on SH (even though it does give him some new funky mind powers). But I wouldn't bet a lot, because I'm far from certain.


I don't read that into his quote at all ... all he really said was that Elza was given knowledge of weaves... there is nothing in his quotes that I've seen that says anything about SH personally giving her this knowledge... of course there's nothing to say he didn't either, I just think the simple explanation is that one of the FS women taught her.


The only way Graendal would have known that teaching Elza was in line with her instructions (and therefore that we, the readers, should associate her involvement as such) is if she'd been told what was going to happen after Elza learned the weaves. But, I highly doubt she'd have been told that information - there would be no reason to tell her, and the Shadow is not known for its willingness to share information with those minions who are not in a need-to-know position.

Still, if there was a teacher, Granedal, Cyndane, and Moggy are the most likely candidates. And (presumably) you're right about Graendal being closest in proximity, of the 3.


Graendal is smart, so if she was told to teach Elza (who she must know is with Rand) these weaves it's not much of a stretch to see how they fit into what she's been told to do...
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Elza's Compulsion - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 1889 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 818 Views
I disagree - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 674 Views
except work with Semirhage! - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 603 Views
Well... - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 674 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 238 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 214 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 510 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 202 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 452 Views
The question is... - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 469 Views
Re: The question is... - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 448 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 485 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 460 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 471 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 460 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 809 Views
I know... - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 671 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 751 Views
That doesn't prove anything... - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 687 Views
It proves enough for me ... - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 583 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 423 Views
not really - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 472 Views
I don't understand your theory - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 435 Views
It's very simple - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 424 Views
So in other words - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 543 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 441 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 469 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 455 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 457 Views
But... - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 452 Views
Exactly my point - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 493 Views
But by this logic... - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 455 Views
Yes... - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 500 Views
While you are right... - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 471 Views
as we've discussed in another thread - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 846 Views
I mean... - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 464 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 483 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 421 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 213 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 673 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 704 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 505 Views
I have a hard time... - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 512 Views
I agree with you - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 442 Views
and you may very well be correct - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 663 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 539 Views
Anything is possible ... - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 537 Views
who knows - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 507 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 441 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 592 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 467 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 444 Views
Good point! - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 525 Views
Re: Good point! - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 420 Views
I agree - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 406 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 489 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 484 Views
damn double posting - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 430 Views
As it is often the case... - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 521 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 480 Views
Well... - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 381 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 421 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 520 Views
Uhhh? - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 668 Views
One point - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 610 Views
Re: One point - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 533 Views
Elza truly believes that... - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 537 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 578 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 513 Views
fair enough - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 558 Views
Not quite - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 561 Views

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