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Re: Good point! Shishka Send a noteboard - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM
Doesn't make much sense that Graendal was there - apparently on SH's orders - but still Elza is essential for SH getting things done. Graendal could have fetch the DM; and as you said, remove the Compulsion from Elza.


Agreed. Even if one of the other female Forsaken DID teach Elza those rare weaves (say in TAR, like darius suggested, where the teacher could not remove Elza's Compulsion), it just means that the teacher was briefly involved with Elza, not with what happened to Semirhage afterwards.

But I agree with you. Everything BS has said about the Semirhage incident suggests that only SH and Elza were involved there, at the house where Semirhage was beeing kept.

Apparently there is more to SH's powers that we don't know yet.


Yep. And my guess is, whatever the extent of those powers, he only has them over Shadow minions. BS said "Shaidar Haran has special power over those that swear to the Dark One", which sort of suggests that he doesn't have that power over those who haven't sworn to the DO (which I thought might be the case, even before BS's quote).

For example, I suspect that SH can't make the True Source disappear when he's around ANY channeler, just those who have sworn to the DO. Otherwise, it makes him too powerful, IMO. Imagine what he could do if he could simply materialize in Rand's room, and make the True Source disappear from Rand. Too easy.
Rise and fall, turn the Wheel,
'cause all life is
is really just a circle.

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Elza's Compulsion - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 1948 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 891 Views
I disagree - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 734 Views
except work with Semirhage! - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 675 Views
Well... - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 741 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 265 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 241 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 579 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 216 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 513 Views
The question is... - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 532 Views
Re: The question is... - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 519 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 560 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 524 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 546 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 518 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 878 Views
I know... - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 738 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 820 Views
That doesn't prove anything... - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 763 Views
It proves enough for me ... - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 648 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 490 Views
not really - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 511 Views
I don't understand your theory - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 501 Views
It's very simple - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 492 Views
So in other words - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 608 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 511 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 536 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 538 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 530 Views
But... - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 517 Views
Exactly my point - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 554 Views
But by this logic... - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 491 Views
Yes... - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 550 Views
While you are right... - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 538 Views
as we've discussed in another thread - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 913 Views
I mean... - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 532 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 553 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 493 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 240 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 740 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 773 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 576 Views
I have a hard time... - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 590 Views
I agree with you - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 511 Views
and you may very well be correct - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 731 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 598 Views
Anything is possible ... - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 603 Views
who knows - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 574 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 482 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 660 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 542 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 510 Views
Good point! - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 593 Views
Re: Good point! - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 488 Views
I agree - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 484 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 557 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 553 Views
damn double posting - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 496 Views
As it is often the case... - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 593 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 549 Views
Well... - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 440 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 484 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 589 Views
Uhhh? - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 731 Views
One point - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 684 Views
Re: One point - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 602 Views
Elza truly believes that... - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 600 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 649 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 579 Views
fair enough - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 636 Views
Not quite - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 624 Views

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