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That doesn't prove anything... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM
Another key quote/Q&A from Brandon:

Q. Was the Compulsion which Elza told Semirhage about, Verin's work from after Dumai's Wells, and was it Shaidar Haran who told her about it and to ask Semirhage to remove it?

A. Yes.

So, we know for a fact that it was SH who told Elza about her Compulsion, AND told her to have Semirhage remove it.

But Graendal could have told SH! Nothing in this answer precludes that.
If Graendal was involved in this plot at all (e.g. it was Graendal who delved Elza and told SH about the Compulsion), SH would have had Graendal remove the Complusion right then and there, rather than tell Elza to go have Semirhage remove it. Especially since Graendal is the most expert on Compulsion of all the Forsaken, so we're lead to believe.

There's one reason why that wouldn't be true. The moment Graendal channeled to remove the compulsion, Semi would have sensed her. She would have suspected FS involvement in her escape, and smelled a trap.
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Elza's Compulsion Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 2203 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 1122 Views
I disagree Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 995 Views
except work with Semirhage! darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 941 Views
Well... Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 1086 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 387 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* Etzel - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 339 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 808 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 315 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 734 Views
The question is... Etzel - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 754 Views
Re: The question is... darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 743 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 841 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 766 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 809 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 785 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 1143 Views
I know... Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 979 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 1064 Views
That doesn't prove anything... fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 998 Views
It proves enough for me ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 914 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... Sidious - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 712 Views
not really darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 762 Views
I don't understand your theory Sidious - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 716 Views
It's very simple darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 715 Views
So in other words Sidious - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 833 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct darius_sedai - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 739 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct Sidious - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 767 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 747 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer Sidious - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 791 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 750 Views
Exactly my point darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 764 Views
But by this logic... Etzel - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 714 Views
Yes... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 754 Views
While you are right... Etzel - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 743 Views
as we've discussed in another thread darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 1149 Views
I mean... Etzel - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 784 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 780 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. Etzel - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 709 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 333 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... Etzel - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 968 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 1005 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 846 Views
I have a hard time... Etzel - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 840 Views
I agree with you Sidious - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 807 Views
and you may very well be correct darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 993 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 818 Views
Anything is possible ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 829 Views
who knows darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 796 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... Shishka - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 700 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 890 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end Shishka - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 777 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 726 Views
Good point! Etzel - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 819 Views
Re: Good point! Shishka - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 716 Views
I agree Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 698 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 776 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me Shishka - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 799 Views
this makes my head hurt ... or maybe all that red wine I drank last night is doing that darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 07:04:23 PM 765 Views
damn double posting darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 705 Views
As it is often the case... Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 805 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 766 Views
Well... Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 661 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 711 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 817 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 1014 Views
One point darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 889 Views
Re: One point Oberonus - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 831 Views
Elza truly believes that... fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 829 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 884 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. Cannoli - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 828 Views
fair enough darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 849 Views
Not quite rAndy aL - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 850 Views
But that could mean that they were to start the LB between Rand and the Great Lord immediately *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 16/01/2010 01:04:32 PM 333 Views
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