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That doesn't prove anything... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM
Another key quote/Q&A from Brandon:

Q. Was the Compulsion which Elza told Semirhage about, Verin's work from after Dumai's Wells, and was it Shaidar Haran who told her about it and to ask Semirhage to remove it?

A. Yes.

So, we know for a fact that it was SH who told Elza about her Compulsion, AND told her to have Semirhage remove it.

But Graendal could have told SH! Nothing in this answer precludes that.
If Graendal was involved in this plot at all (e.g. it was Graendal who delved Elza and told SH about the Compulsion), SH would have had Graendal remove the Complusion right then and there, rather than tell Elza to go have Semirhage remove it. Especially since Graendal is the most expert on Compulsion of all the Forsaken, so we're lead to believe.

There's one reason why that wouldn't be true. The moment Graendal channeled to remove the compulsion, Semi would have sensed her. She would have suspected FS involvement in her escape, and smelled a trap.
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Elza's Compulsion Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 2057 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 982 Views
I disagree Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 863 Views
except work with Semirhage! darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 786 Views
Well... Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 903 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 311 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* Etzel - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 277 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 669 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 254 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 607 Views
The question is... Etzel - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 628 Views
Re: The question is... darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 619 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 683 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 615 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 665 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 612 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 994 Views
I know... Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 844 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 934 Views
That doesn't prove anything... fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 868 Views
It proves enough for me ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 776 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... Sidious - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 582 Views
not really darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 616 Views
I don't understand your theory Sidious - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 590 Views
It's very simple darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 583 Views
So in other words Sidious - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 710 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct darius_sedai - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 608 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct Sidious - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 633 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 619 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer Sidious - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 647 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 613 Views
Exactly my point darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 642 Views
But by this logic... Etzel - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 583 Views
Yes... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 637 Views
While you are right... Etzel - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 627 Views
as we've discussed in another thread darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 1024 Views
I mean... Etzel - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 625 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 666 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. Etzel - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 581 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 276 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... Etzel - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 842 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 869 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 689 Views
I have a hard time... Etzel - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 687 Views
I agree with you Sidious - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 625 Views
and you may very well be correct darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 840 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 689 Views
Anything is possible ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 704 Views
who knows darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 666 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... Shishka - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 576 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 764 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end Shishka - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 647 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 607 Views
Good point! Etzel - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 686 Views
Re: Good point! Shishka - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 586 Views
I agree Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 566 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 650 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me Shishka - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 659 Views
this makes my head hurt ... or maybe all that red wine I drank last night is doing that darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 07:04:23 PM 631 Views
damn double posting darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 585 Views
As it is often the case... Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 679 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 645 Views
Well... Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 539 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 576 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 685 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 856 Views
One point darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 767 Views
Re: One point Oberonus - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 695 Views
Elza truly believes that... fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 697 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 749 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. Cannoli - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 673 Views
fair enough darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 727 Views
Not quite rAndy aL - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 705 Views
But that could mean that they were to start the LB between Rand and the Great Lord immediately *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 16/01/2010 01:04:32 PM 275 Views
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