Why is it that whenever a person brings up cuendillar armor... someone else always counters it with "mass production" argument?? That was not implied or inferred when it was brought up. 0 points for you.
I'd like to see even 1 quote from the book supporting this statement.
1) Converting something to cuendillar melds it into a single item, so the harbor chain links became one massive construct rather than articulated links as it originally was. This would make it a problem to create cuendillar armor, since you'd need to convert the links before trying to create mail out of it.
you link it when it is still in metalic form. place a cushion of air around the solid piece you are currently transforming. Not hard to get around... anyone with an ounce of creativity can get around that one.
2) The weight issue, which again, seems pretty legitimate in lieu of the fact that if a bunch of warriors are walking around with heavy masses of cuendillar as shields, they are no longer agile to keep up with changing battlefield conditions, and become actually more vulnerable to attack since their movement has been reduced
Again - i'd like to see a reference on the weight issue. Also, if it was foil thick as mentioned in a previos post? You think it would still weigh more than conventional armor? Logically?
3) The necessary Talent to mass-produce them seems to depend on a combination of factors that were not easy for the Aes Sedai of the Tower to produce; only a couple of women in the rebel camp had any ability to convert an object to cuendillar without strain and of them, Egwene was by far the mightiest with an affinity for Earth and ability to use the weave in a large scale - thus only one women out of more than a thousand had an ability to produce it in enough amounts to come close to mass production, which seems overly limiting.
1 - Men are more talented in earth and there probably isnt much difficulty in finding males that can create the stuff.
2 - why would they mass produce it? did they mass produce power wrought swords? Why is it that Malkieri kings passed a power wrought sword down through the generations? (Because it was rare and therefore a symbol of power)
a: Create a few dozen suits of white cuendillar armor and give them to all of your important generals.
b: commission a few dozen asha'man to make the all black versions for upper ranked of officers(not all soldiers).
Basically, it seems like a great idea on paper, but the properties of cuendillar made it so that even during the Age of Legends, using it for this purpose was not an option, even while they used it for other, smaller things in common use.
Those who say it looks good in theory but could not easily be implemented simply lack creativity.
They describe them pretty often in the books - they are a little larger than palm sized. And they actually seem to add weight to whatever is converted, regardless of the original material.
I'd like to see even 1 quote from the book supporting this statement.
1) Converting something to cuendillar melds it into a single item, so the harbor chain links became one massive construct rather than articulated links as it originally was. This would make it a problem to create cuendillar armor, since you'd need to convert the links before trying to create mail out of it.
you link it when it is still in metalic form. place a cushion of air around the solid piece you are currently transforming. Not hard to get around... anyone with an ounce of creativity can get around that one.
2) The weight issue, which again, seems pretty legitimate in lieu of the fact that if a bunch of warriors are walking around with heavy masses of cuendillar as shields, they are no longer agile to keep up with changing battlefield conditions, and become actually more vulnerable to attack since their movement has been reduced
Again - i'd like to see a reference on the weight issue. Also, if it was foil thick as mentioned in a previos post? You think it would still weigh more than conventional armor? Logically?
3) The necessary Talent to mass-produce them seems to depend on a combination of factors that were not easy for the Aes Sedai of the Tower to produce; only a couple of women in the rebel camp had any ability to convert an object to cuendillar without strain and of them, Egwene was by far the mightiest with an affinity for Earth and ability to use the weave in a large scale - thus only one women out of more than a thousand had an ability to produce it in enough amounts to come close to mass production, which seems overly limiting.
1 - Men are more talented in earth and there probably isnt much difficulty in finding males that can create the stuff.
2 - why would they mass produce it? did they mass produce power wrought swords? Why is it that Malkieri kings passed a power wrought sword down through the generations? (Because it was rare and therefore a symbol of power)
a: Create a few dozen suits of white cuendillar armor and give them to all of your important generals.
b: commission a few dozen asha'man to make the all black versions for upper ranked of officers(not all soldiers).
Basically, it seems like a great idea on paper, but the properties of cuendillar made it so that even during the Age of Legends, using it for this purpose was not an option, even while they used it for other, smaller things in common use.
Those who say it looks good in theory but could not easily be implemented simply lack creativity.
This message last edited by Nargs on 14/01/2010 at 07:33:42 PM
Cuendillar and Perpetual Gateways
- 14/01/2010 03:32:15 PM
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I'm still not sure if cuendillar would be "destroyed" or "remain"
- 14/01/2010 03:55:00 PM
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Quick question ...
- 15/01/2010 01:34:21 AM
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No - cuendillar just gets stronger the more powerful a force you use against it
- 15/01/2010 07:55:34 PM
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Cuendillar shields
- 14/01/2010 04:57:45 PM
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Wasn't the consensus...
- 14/01/2010 05:04:50 PM
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Really?
- 14/01/2010 05:30:40 PM
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Re: Really?
- 14/01/2010 05:52:45 PM
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Even so...
- 14/01/2010 06:30:35 PM
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Not sure, but the discussion might be saved somewhere (maybe in my e-mail somehow)
- 14/01/2010 07:12:42 PM
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Lack of Creativity / Flame
- 14/01/2010 07:31:32 PM
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*shrug* You can look for the original discussion if you like. Desc of seal is in Book VI, P 80
- 14/01/2010 08:48:13 PM
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Re: *shrug* You can look for the original discussion if you like. Desc of seal is in Book VI, P 80
- 14/01/2010 09:23:36 PM
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Re: *shrug* You can look for the original discussion if you like. Desc of seal is in Book VI, P 80
- 14/01/2010 09:36:26 PM
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let's do some quick math to see how feasible this is...
- 15/01/2010 12:16:02 AM
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Again, Lack of Creativity
- 15/01/2010 12:54:01 AM
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right cause they are full of new ideas in WoT!
- 15/01/2010 12:57:52 AM
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Huh? Are you saying that...
- 15/01/2010 01:49:23 AM
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It's not just a matter of creativity
- 15/01/2010 03:42:38 AM
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Are you trying to be funny? 
- 15/01/2010 09:22:18 AM
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- 15/01/2010 09:22:18 AM
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I think what people are saying to you (at least what I am saying)
- 15/01/2010 07:58:31 PM
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The vast majority of WoT folk aren't particularly innovative
- 15/01/2010 08:02:52 PM
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Pretty much. I think their religion is not doing anything helpful with the Power.
- 15/01/2010 09:13:49 PM
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Mail is obviously out of the question...
- 15/01/2010 12:54:32 AM
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Create a ter'angreal that can open gateways wherever it is pointed and triggered.
- 14/01/2010 04:59:28 PM
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Maybe this was one of the violent games played for sport during The Collapse *NM*
- 14/01/2010 05:14:05 PM
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*NM*
Or they could just tie the gateway weave off, like Sammael did in CoS, and Rand did in KoD...
- 14/01/2010 07:11:56 PM
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Thanks; I thought this was the case but couldnt recall the sections.
- 14/01/2010 07:13:32 PM
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True... I forgot...
- 14/01/2010 07:18:25 PM
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Tied-off weaves dont last forever
- 14/01/2010 07:39:53 PM
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Why would this mean that the gateway weave doesn't need to be maintained? *NM*
- 17/01/2010 03:22:58 PM
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Because even if it wasn't tied off, it'd get stuck around the cuendillar doorway, unable to close. *NM*
- 22/01/2010 09:07:34 PM
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But RJ said that cuendillar could not pass into a gateway, didn't he?
- 23/01/2010 11:53:35 AM
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