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Re: Was Egwene wrong to berate both Halls after the reunification? Gerbeaud Send a noteboard - 12/01/2010 06:58:40 PM

After the reunification of the Tower, Egwene told the Salidar Hall that they must apologise for breaking the Tower before she'd let them back in, and she told the Tower Hall that they were a disgrace for allowing Elaida free reign.

Was Egwene sanctimonious, pious, out of place, arrogant etc with this? I'm undecided about it, and I think there are valid arguments for both sides. I also think she's lucky they didn't box her ears or tell her to get lost in this scene, but I guess they were all shocked by the Seanchan, and caught up in their unique circumstances.

The attacking stance is obviously that Egwene was wrong to do this. Here are some reasons why she wasn't wrong...

1. She's right. The people in Salidar did break the Tower and the Tower Sitters did allow Elaida to become a tyrant. Egwene is merely telling the truth. Any member of the White ajah could have done the same.

2. Egwene is not a hypocrite because she isn't truly part of the Salidar camp. She was not present during the breaking of the Tower and played absolutely no part in it. She did not organize a rebellion against Elaida and she was forced into her position under the penalty of stilling. She therefore has the right to berate the Salidar Hall.

3. She's the Amyrlin - of all ajahs and of none. Like a member of the gray ajah sorting out a feud between two lords, Egwene can be an external critic without being hypocritical.

4. She's being politically sensible. She's making everyone say sorry as surely as a mother makes her two fighting sons say sorry to one another after a fight. If everyone is sorry, then everyone is forgiven, and wounds heal faster.

Let's hear it... was she wrong?


She was right from the point of view that both sides share some of the blame. By admonishing both the Rebels and the Loyalists, she spread the responsibility equally. This also paved the way for reconciliation. I did, however, find her delivery of the message to be rather sanctimonious. It strains credulity though that Egwene has become this fount of knowledge and wisdom.

Her decision to name Silviana a Red as her Keeper was a good move.
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Was Egwene wrong to berate both Halls after the reunification? - 12/01/2010 05:13:59 PM 6889 Views
She was right, as long as she never mentions it again - 12/01/2010 05:19:38 PM 786 Views
Exactly - 13/01/2010 04:21:50 AM 805 Views
I was just tired of reading about the Tower civil war - 19/01/2010 01:11:54 AM 675 Views
I didn't expect it, but it was absolutely the right thing for her to do. - 12/01/2010 06:13:42 PM 786 Views
perhaps a bit too harsh, but she was in the right *NM* - 12/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 346 Views
She was absolutely right and I love to hear good beratings. - 12/01/2010 06:49:56 PM 744 Views
Like you'd say anything else. *NM* - 13/01/2010 04:22:13 AM 294 Views
I think she was right. - 12/01/2010 06:57:34 PM 711 Views
Re: Was Egwene wrong to berate both Halls after the reunification? - 12/01/2010 06:58:40 PM 716 Views
Reasonable in terms of power politics, but still somewhat deceitful. - 12/01/2010 07:06:33 PM 755 Views
I'm not sure deceitful is the right word for the circumstances - 12/01/2010 07:10:57 PM 790 Views
Yeah.. - 12/01/2010 07:23:11 PM 662 Views
One of your reasons is simply wrong. - 12/01/2010 07:16:56 PM 759 Views
I agree. *NM* - 13/01/2010 05:08:37 PM 279 Views
Re: Was Egwene wrong to berate both Halls after the reunification? - 12/01/2010 07:20:30 PM 773 Views
I doubt it. - 12/01/2010 09:58:40 PM 662 Views
Or... - 13/01/2010 12:10:33 AM 681 Views
Re: Or... - 13/01/2010 12:24:19 AM 631 Views
Re: Or... - 13/01/2010 12:47:12 AM 665 Views
me too *NM* - 13/01/2010 04:10:11 AM 271 Views
Re: I doubt it. - 13/01/2010 02:41:04 PM 611 Views
Ugly, IMO, but a keen political manuever - 12/01/2010 09:31:48 PM 650 Views
It was very clear where her sympathies lie. A lot of it was superficial. - 12/01/2010 10:41:09 PM 798 Views
She didn't mention/berate the 300+ AS who ignored this whole facade of a plotline. - 13/01/2010 01:27:02 AM 683 Views
*NM* - 13/01/2010 03:13:59 AM 289 Views
it's not like they were there to berate! *NM* - 13/01/2010 04:10:49 AM 272 Views
Wait until they come back and she slams them for "ignoring the Tower in its hour of need." *NM* - 13/01/2010 04:20:55 AM 277 Views
She should - 13/01/2010 04:22:13 AM 738 Views
Re: She should - 13/01/2010 04:33:27 AM 670 Views
okay so 5 or 6 women actually looked at the greater good - 13/01/2010 04:39:49 AM 707 Views
I agree! *NM* - 13/01/2010 04:34:21 PM 274 Views

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