Re: Was Egwene wrong to berate both Halls after the reunification?
Gerbeaud Send a noteboard - 12/01/2010 06:58:40 PM
After the reunification of the Tower, Egwene told the Salidar Hall that they must apologise for breaking the Tower before she'd let them back in, and she told the Tower Hall that they were a disgrace for allowing Elaida free reign.
Was Egwene sanctimonious, pious, out of place, arrogant etc with this? I'm undecided about it, and I think there are valid arguments for both sides. I also think she's lucky they didn't box her ears or tell her to get lost in this scene, but I guess they were all shocked by the Seanchan, and caught up in their unique circumstances.
The attacking stance is obviously that Egwene was wrong to do this. Here are some reasons why she wasn't wrong...
1. She's right. The people in Salidar did break the Tower and the Tower Sitters did allow Elaida to become a tyrant. Egwene is merely telling the truth. Any member of the White ajah could have done the same.
2. Egwene is not a hypocrite because she isn't truly part of the Salidar camp. She was not present during the breaking of the Tower and played absolutely no part in it. She did not organize a rebellion against Elaida and she was forced into her position under the penalty of stilling. She therefore has the right to berate the Salidar Hall.
3. She's the Amyrlin - of all ajahs and of none. Like a member of the gray ajah sorting out a feud between two lords, Egwene can be an external critic without being hypocritical.
4. She's being politically sensible. She's making everyone say sorry as surely as a mother makes her two fighting sons say sorry to one another after a fight. If everyone is sorry, then everyone is forgiven, and wounds heal faster.
Let's hear it... was she wrong?
She was right from the point of view that both sides share some of the blame. By admonishing both the Rebels and the Loyalists, she spread the responsibility equally. This also paved the way for reconciliation. I did, however, find her delivery of the message to be rather sanctimonious. It strains credulity though that Egwene has become this fount of knowledge and wisdom.
Her decision to name Silviana a Red as her Keeper was a good move.
Was Egwene wrong to berate both Halls after the reunification?
12/01/2010 05:13:59 PM
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She was right, as long as she never mentions it again
12/01/2010 05:19:38 PM
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I didn't expect it, but it was absolutely the right thing for her to do.
12/01/2010 06:13:42 PM
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She was absolutely right and I love to hear good beratings.
12/01/2010 06:49:56 PM
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Like you'd say anything else. *NM*
13/01/2010 04:22:13 AM
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If the berating sucked, I would have complained. But it was pretty good to hear/read. *NM*
13/01/2010 04:33:29 PM
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Re: Was Egwene wrong to berate both Halls after the reunification?
12/01/2010 06:58:40 PM
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Reasonable in terms of power politics, but still somewhat deceitful.
12/01/2010 07:06:33 PM
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Re: Was Egwene wrong to berate both Halls after the reunification?
12/01/2010 07:20:30 PM
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I doubt it.
12/01/2010 09:58:40 PM
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It was a political move. It was the right political move, but not "morally" right.
12/01/2010 08:03:27 PM
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It was very clear where her sympathies lie. A lot of it was superficial.
12/01/2010 10:41:09 PM
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She didn't mention/berate the 300+ AS who ignored this whole facade of a plotline.
13/01/2010 01:27:02 AM
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it's not like they were there to berate! *NM*
13/01/2010 04:10:49 AM
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Wait until they come back and she slams them for "ignoring the Tower in its hour of need." *NM*
13/01/2010 04:20:55 AM
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She should
13/01/2010 04:22:13 AM
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They probably had more important matters than the privileges of a tiny group of powerful women.
14/01/2010 12:11:04 AM
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right, they were very very busy doing a whole lot of nothing
14/01/2010 12:13:06 AM
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Keeping an eye on the transition between rulers of the most powerful country IS more important
18/01/2010 12:19:17 PM
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they've been coming and going for months ... with no indication of what they are really up too
19/01/2010 06:24:27 AM
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What part of "keeping an eye on" suggests action or interference?
22/01/2010 01:38:52 PM
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It depends what she does next. It was really a tactical thing and politics can excuse the hypocrisy
13/01/2010 04:20:06 AM
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