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Of course, I agree with you, esp since I just put forth the idea you support earlier in the thread. RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 11/01/2010 04:58:26 PM
"Here's another possibility I hadn't mentioned previously. Maybe even damage below the irreparable state causes severe trouble, like the time/space chaos we've observed in the later books. Things like rooms changing places or the Village in Shiota or Hinderstap."

I said something similar to this ine one of my replies. My argument went like this: There was a lot of damage to the Pattern done during the War of Power, this damage was lessened when balefire stopped being used en masse but it was not halted because the Dark One continued to touch the world. In the current Age, the Pattern may not have fully recovered from this past damage, especially given that the world is still reeling from the W.O.P. and The Breaking, so using balefire in such a way at all may be enough to cause a serious rupture in the Pattern.

I think the best way to envision the Age Lace would be to think of the Narrative Chart AesJedai posted in a separate thread (link is attached). Though the flow of the chart does not show specific character actions, you can chart each character's whereabouts during climactic parts of the War of the Ring. Given a sufficient familiarity with the Book, you can say that removing certain threads causes the entire tapestry of lines to fall apart, because during particular moments, the lives and wellbeings of others depended on the actions of that particular thread. Using WoT terminology, for example, if you balefired Arwen, who in the grand scheme of things had a relatively small part to play in the movie, from time/space before she rescued Frodo, Frodo would be dead, and the entire tapestry would fall into a new form after many fluctuations - the yellow-bordered green line may or may not survive the poisoned wound, or it may not make it to the Ring's Destruction. Given that we don't know the relative importance of each and every thread in the Pattern, nor what these threads were supposed to do in the future, you could cause a major rupture in the Pattern by the removal of many such "one note" players.
"Those who think they have no time for bodily exercise will sooner or later have to find time for illness."
Narrative Chart for Lord of the Rings
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Rand the psycho? - 06/01/2010 02:53:30 AM 1513 Views
I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 04:07:33 AM 916 Views
On Balefire - 06/01/2010 04:43:18 AM 917 Views
Good point - 06/01/2010 05:04:26 AM 939 Views
On the nature of BaleFire - 06/01/2010 03:32:25 PM 845 Views
Re: I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 04:59:12 AM 757 Views
Wait! - 06/01/2010 05:10:33 AM 880 Views
Re: Wait! - 06/01/2010 05:20:02 AM 784 Views
Re: Wait! - 06/01/2010 05:58:00 AM 756 Views
Re: Wait! - 06/01/2010 11:46:13 AM 693 Views
Re: Wait! - 06/01/2010 03:55:01 PM 724 Views
I disagree - 06/01/2010 05:42:44 PM 696 Views
Re: I disagree - 06/01/2010 06:41:08 PM 695 Views
Re: I disagree - 07/01/2010 04:42:40 AM 677 Views
I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 07:30:56 AM 830 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 03:32:24 PM 752 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 09:52:47 PM 789 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 11:19:56 PM 675 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 12:21:50 AM 757 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 12:56:26 AM 709 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 01:46:16 AM 695 Views
I agree with Templar - 09/01/2010 04:36:20 PM 700 Views
Of course, I agree with you, esp since I just put forth the idea you support earlier in the thread. - 11/01/2010 04:58:26 PM 1191 Views
Re: I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 07:57:54 AM 793 Views
Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 02:36:42 PM 826 Views
Re: Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 04:16:12 PM 735 Views
But... - 06/01/2010 04:34:02 PM 845 Views
Re: But... - 06/01/2010 06:14:25 PM 665 Views
Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently? - 06/01/2010 02:55:38 PM 699 Views
No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM* - 06/01/2010 03:26:00 PM 380 Views
But not in this turning of the Wheel. So they'd miss out on MANY lifetimes. - 06/01/2010 05:46:04 PM 729 Views
What? - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM 730 Views
Where did you get that? - 06/01/2010 07:09:38 PM 697 Views
No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM* - 06/01/2010 09:58:18 PM 413 Views
LOL ... super-death! - 06/01/2010 11:59:31 PM 680 Views
Hah! *NM* - 07/01/2010 12:06:07 AM 333 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:20 AM 676 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:33 AM 654 Views
Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 06:51:15 PM 819 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 07:16:14 PM 716 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 08:58:40 PM 720 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 10:47:11 PM 741 Views
let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:26:43 PM 732 Views
Re: let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:40:56 PM 723 Views
actually that quote supports my thoughts - 06/01/2010 11:50:40 PM 751 Views
Re: actually that quote supports my thoughts - 07/01/2010 12:10:07 AM 698 Views
Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take. - 07/01/2010 12:00:44 AM 765 Views
Sigh. What mass murder? - 07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM 641 Views
you are kidding right? - 07/01/2010 12:19:58 AM 730 Views
In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:14:32 PM 720 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:57:43 PM 729 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:13:21 PM 741 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:52:24 PM 683 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 08:56:43 PM 751 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:26:01 PM 688 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:30:45 PM 631 Views
Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS! - 07/01/2010 09:42:57 PM 806 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM 735 Views
OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM 705 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 01:53:25 PM 664 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 02:56:41 PM 725 Views
What might work... - 08/01/2010 12:35:17 PM 662 Views
Re: What might work... - 08/01/2010 11:38:09 PM 666 Views
Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again - 06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM 820 Views
Meh - 06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM 659 Views
The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:33:32 PM 673 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:50:37 PM 745 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:55:03 PM 680 Views
I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good... - 07/01/2010 12:03:20 AM 723 Views
*laughs behind hand* - 07/01/2010 12:05:54 AM 795 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 07/01/2010 12:23:11 AM 664 Views
I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 12:52:25 AM 664 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 01:24:32 AM 738 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 03:33:52 PM 673 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 04:28:18 PM 816 Views
right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions - 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM 774 Views
Nice way to avoid the argument. - 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM 732 Views
I'm just done talking in circles. You seem to think that because people - 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM 762 Views
I concede - 07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM 656 Views
You weren't wrong overall, but there were some serious flaws in your reasoning. - 07/01/2010 02:43:17 AM 760 Views
Tee hee. - 07/01/2010 05:28:52 AM 707 Views
Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM 744 Views
Re: Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 03:23:59 PM 669 Views
I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 12:00:02 AM 743 Views
Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 05:56:16 PM 908 Views
Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 18/01/2010 01:00:23 PM 1004 Views
Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 11/01/2010 04:47:10 PM 640 Views
Re: Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 18/01/2010 12:49:26 PM 689 Views

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