Re: as we've discussed in the past, it's very loose
darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 09/01/2010 09:05:01 PM
I deleted the arguments that are purely opinion... no use going in circles over the our personal interpretations ... suffice to say I disagree with how you take words like "amazing" to mean Nynaeve must be 2x as strong. And we've not got a comparative quote about how brightly Egwene or Elayne shine, in fact we've never even seen them draw to full potential unaided so it's practically impossible to use quotes like that to quantify their strength.
In short, RJ's choice of adjectives doesn't cut it for me
Elayne and Egwene also comment on how massively complex Healing seems at one point or another, yet now they are re-discovering Traveling and making Ter'angreal. Egwene notes how she thought she'd never be able to weave 12 flows at once, yet now she can ... IMO Nynaeve and Rand started out at very close to full potential early in the series and Egwene/Elayne started from scratch.
She flat out states that lifting them both would take half of the saidar in the Well. Seems pretty straight forward to me.
We're talking brute force here, not some intricate weave, skill isn't exactly necessary to pick something up and move it.
Yet Egwene hoisted the SF women "Some ten or twelve paces above the surface" that's 3 or more Stories of a building. Even the Palaces in WoT are described as only about 4 Stories tall ... Nynaeve was only lifting Rand and Lan to a 3rd floor room, that's pretty much the exact same height Egwene describes.
In short, RJ's choice of adjectives doesn't cut it for me
Elayne and Egwene also comment on how massively complex Healing seems at one point or another, yet now they are re-discovering Traveling and making Ter'angreal. Egwene notes how she thought she'd never be able to weave 12 flows at once, yet now she can ... IMO Nynaeve and Rand started out at very close to full potential early in the series and Egwene/Elayne started from scratch.
I don't really think that the Air-lifting thing works, for the following reasons...
1. Nynaeve may be considering the limitations of the well, and not her own ability. We don't know how it works.
1. Nynaeve may be considering the limitations of the well, and not her own ability. We don't know how it works.
She flat out states that lifting them both would take half of the saidar in the Well. Seems pretty straight forward to me.
2. Nynaeve is unskilled in everything except Healing, according to Cadsuane.
We're talking brute force here, not some intricate weave, skill isn't exactly necessary to pick something up and move it.
3. Nynaeve may have been perturbed by the height of the building - Egwene herself says that height is a limitation when lifting things.
Yet Egwene hoisted the SF women "Some ten or twelve paces above the surface" that's 3 or more Stories of a building. Even the Palaces in WoT are described as only about 4 Stories tall ... Nynaeve was only lifting Rand and Lan to a 3rd floor room, that's pretty much the exact same height Egwene describes.
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Is Rand logical when he estimates female danger?
07/01/2010 03:34:05 PM
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Basically you have to be ready for anything!
07/01/2010 03:45:31 PM
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Yep. Send Daigian in Linked with 12 of her buddies (one of whom is holding an angreal) & hes screwed
07/01/2010 05:19:03 PM
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Miscommunication seems to be a major theme of the series *NM*
07/01/2010 07:17:16 PM
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As well as missed opportunities.
07/01/2010 09:27:56 PM
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yes, the Amyrlin story line could have been wrapped up much earlier!
07/01/2010 09:55:30 PM
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For a major theme, it sure is surprising
08/01/2010 04:10:22 AM
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really? miscommunication seems to be woven into just about every sentence
08/01/2010 04:53:48 AM
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Re: really? miscommunication seems to be woven into just about every sentence
08/01/2010 04:10:04 PM
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Thanks for pointing to that Taim incident... its another proof...
07/01/2010 04:15:33 PM
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I always like to think that Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha Linked can match Rand.
07/01/2010 05:26:35 PM
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07/01/2010 08:51:15 PM
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HA!
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Re: HA!
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Re: HA!
08/01/2010 04:21:01 PM
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Hmm...
09/01/2010 03:02:04 PM
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Re: Hmm...
09/01/2010 04:47:05 PM
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Re: Hmm...
09/01/2010 05:06:06 PM
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as we've discussed in the past, it's very loose
09/01/2010 06:20:26 PM
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Re: as we've discussed in the past, it's very loose
09/01/2010 07:32:57 PM
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Re: as we've discussed in the past, it's very loose
09/01/2010 09:05:01 PM
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There are issues, of course!
09/01/2010 06:17:08 PM
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Getting tired of this merry go round, but here we go again...
07/01/2010 09:08:59 PM
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For the last time!
07/01/2010 09:50:16 PM
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it's about EFFECTIVE strength Fionwe (jk)
07/01/2010 10:05:48 PM
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I don't think they were that bad back then, but still...
07/01/2010 10:11:46 PM
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Re: I don't think they were that bad back then, but still...
08/01/2010 11:38:48 AM
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I'd actually go with Elayne in matters of battle.
08/01/2010 02:47:34 PM
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I'm tempted to go with Taim too, but...
08/01/2010 04:25:52 PM
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If Elayne had wanted Taim dead, he and his minions would have been dead
08/01/2010 05:41:29 PM
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The reverse would be true too, though...
08/01/2010 05:50:02 PM
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But she just heard Taim say to basically stand down
08/01/2010 06:05:43 PM
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But...
08/01/2010 08:53:11 PM
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Ah but Elayne also knew they knew Rand wouldn't allow it
08/01/2010 10:40:45 PM
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I think he is illogical towards all danger, regardless of gender.
07/01/2010 06:39:37 PM
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Do fat kids run marathons? No. And no Rand isn't logical when he estimates female danger. *NM*
07/01/2010 06:44:08 PM
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