as we've discussed in the past, it's very loose
darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 09/01/2010 06:20:26 PM
My basic mentality is this:
Egwene = 3 average strength sisters (women like Eldirth or Ispan and Falion), this is supported by Aviendha's assertion of her being stronger than Amys and Melane (strong AS level women).
Nynaeve = 3 Strong Sisters (Delana, Masuri, Rafela etc)
Moiraine = 3 weak sisters (Daigian, Kumira, Siuan and Leane) which we know is true from Siuan's reduction.
IMO the books are clear that Egwene is about 80% the strength of Nynaeve and Moiraine is about 45% of Nynaeve and about 60% of Egwene.
It fits what we've seen from abilities too:
Egwene can lift about 20% less than Nynaeve can with air (while splitting her flows 4 ways)
Moiraine can lift maybe 45% less than Nynaeve's max if she used every ounce of her power.
Assuming Egwene lifted in the ball park of 375lbs in Sea Folk (3 women at about 125lbs each) while splitting her flows 4 ways and holding a a shield on a strong AS level woman in LOC and said while it wasn't easy, it wasn't all that hard either.
LOC
Summoned in Haste
Drawing a deep breath, she embraced saidar and channeled four flows before the Windfinder could react. So she knew weather, did she? Could she divide her flows four ways? Not many Aes Sedai could. One flow was Spirit, a shield she shoved onto the Windfinder to keep her from interfering. If she knew how. Each of the other three was Air, woven almost delicately around each woman, binding her arms to her sides. Lifting them was not precisely difficult, but not easy either.
Moiraine can lift 3x her body weight, maybe 350lbs using all of her strength (Siuan says that's her about her max in LOC).
LOC
To Heal Again
It was impossible. True, the simple act of picking something up was one of the hardest in channeling, but she had been able to lift nearly three times her own weight.
And Nynaeve said she could not lift both Rand and Lan at the same time in WH (Combined maybe as much as 500lbs).
WH
Blue Carp Street
"I saw them," Rand said. "They're inside now. Nynaeve, can you lift Lan and me to that rooftop from the alley behind the building?" Nynaeve frowned at Zeram's building, rubbing the belt around her waist with one hand. "One at a time, I could," she said finally. "But it would use more than half what the Well holds. I wouldn't be able to lift you down again."
and later
Something unseen wrapped snugly around Rand's chest beneath his arms, and slowly he rose into the air, floating higher until he drifted over the edge of the overhanging eave. The invisible harness vanished, and his boots dropped to the sloping roof, sliding a little on the damp gray slates. Crouching, he moved back on all fours. A few moments later, Lan floated up to land on the roof, too.
Obviously not an absolute as I don't think ability in one weave/flow can really define total strength, but it does give us some scope since all of these women are strong in Air, no Talent is involved, and it's something every channeler can do to some degree or another based on their strength.
Egwene = 3 average strength sisters (women like Eldirth or Ispan and Falion), this is supported by Aviendha's assertion of her being stronger than Amys and Melane (strong AS level women).
Nynaeve = 3 Strong Sisters (Delana, Masuri, Rafela etc)
Moiraine = 3 weak sisters (Daigian, Kumira, Siuan and Leane) which we know is true from Siuan's reduction.
IMO the books are clear that Egwene is about 80% the strength of Nynaeve and Moiraine is about 45% of Nynaeve and about 60% of Egwene.
It fits what we've seen from abilities too:
Egwene can lift about 20% less than Nynaeve can with air (while splitting her flows 4 ways)
Moiraine can lift maybe 45% less than Nynaeve's max if she used every ounce of her power.
Assuming Egwene lifted in the ball park of 375lbs in Sea Folk (3 women at about 125lbs each) while splitting her flows 4 ways and holding a a shield on a strong AS level woman in LOC and said while it wasn't easy, it wasn't all that hard either.
LOC
Summoned in Haste
Drawing a deep breath, she embraced saidar and channeled four flows before the Windfinder could react. So she knew weather, did she? Could she divide her flows four ways? Not many Aes Sedai could. One flow was Spirit, a shield she shoved onto the Windfinder to keep her from interfering. If she knew how. Each of the other three was Air, woven almost delicately around each woman, binding her arms to her sides. Lifting them was not precisely difficult, but not easy either.
Moiraine can lift 3x her body weight, maybe 350lbs using all of her strength (Siuan says that's her about her max in LOC).
LOC
To Heal Again
It was impossible. True, the simple act of picking something up was one of the hardest in channeling, but she had been able to lift nearly three times her own weight.
And Nynaeve said she could not lift both Rand and Lan at the same time in WH (Combined maybe as much as 500lbs).
WH
Blue Carp Street
"I saw them," Rand said. "They're inside now. Nynaeve, can you lift Lan and me to that rooftop from the alley behind the building?" Nynaeve frowned at Zeram's building, rubbing the belt around her waist with one hand. "One at a time, I could," she said finally. "But it would use more than half what the Well holds. I wouldn't be able to lift you down again."
and later
Something unseen wrapped snugly around Rand's chest beneath his arms, and slowly he rose into the air, floating higher until he drifted over the edge of the overhanging eave. The invisible harness vanished, and his boots dropped to the sloping roof, sliding a little on the damp gray slates. Crouching, he moved back on all fours. A few moments later, Lan floated up to land on the roof, too.
Obviously not an absolute as I don't think ability in one weave/flow can really define total strength, but it does give us some scope since all of these women are strong in Air, no Talent is involved, and it's something every channeler can do to some degree or another based on their strength.
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Is Rand logical when he estimates female danger?
07/01/2010 03:34:05 PM
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Basically you have to be ready for anything!
07/01/2010 03:45:31 PM
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Yep. Send Daigian in Linked with 12 of her buddies (one of whom is holding an angreal) & hes screwed
07/01/2010 05:19:03 PM
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Miscommunication seems to be a major theme of the series *NM*
07/01/2010 07:17:16 PM
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As well as missed opportunities.
07/01/2010 09:27:56 PM
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yes, the Amyrlin story line could have been wrapped up much earlier!
07/01/2010 09:55:30 PM
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For a major theme, it sure is surprising
08/01/2010 04:10:22 AM
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really? miscommunication seems to be woven into just about every sentence
08/01/2010 04:53:48 AM
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Re: really? miscommunication seems to be woven into just about every sentence
08/01/2010 04:10:04 PM
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Thanks for pointing to that Taim incident... its another proof...
07/01/2010 04:15:33 PM
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I always like to think that Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha Linked can match Rand.
07/01/2010 05:26:35 PM
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07/01/2010 08:51:15 PM
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HA!
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Re: HA!
08/01/2010 11:37:06 AM
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Re: HA!
08/01/2010 04:21:01 PM
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Hmm...
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Re: Hmm...
09/01/2010 04:47:05 PM
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Re: Hmm...
09/01/2010 05:06:06 PM
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as we've discussed in the past, it's very loose
09/01/2010 06:20:26 PM
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Re: as we've discussed in the past, it's very loose
09/01/2010 07:32:57 PM
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Re: as we've discussed in the past, it's very loose
09/01/2010 09:05:01 PM
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There are issues, of course!
09/01/2010 06:17:08 PM
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Getting tired of this merry go round, but here we go again...
07/01/2010 09:08:59 PM
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For the last time!
07/01/2010 09:50:16 PM
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it's about EFFECTIVE strength Fionwe (jk)
07/01/2010 10:05:48 PM
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I don't think they were that bad back then, but still...
07/01/2010 10:11:46 PM
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Re: I don't think they were that bad back then, but still...
08/01/2010 11:38:48 AM
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I'd actually go with Elayne in matters of battle.
08/01/2010 02:47:34 PM
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I'm tempted to go with Taim too, but...
08/01/2010 04:25:52 PM
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If Elayne had wanted Taim dead, he and his minions would have been dead
08/01/2010 05:41:29 PM
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The reverse would be true too, though...
08/01/2010 05:50:02 PM
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But she just heard Taim say to basically stand down
08/01/2010 06:05:43 PM
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But...
08/01/2010 08:53:11 PM
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Ah but Elayne also knew they knew Rand wouldn't allow it
08/01/2010 10:40:45 PM
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I think he is illogical towards all danger, regardless of gender.
07/01/2010 06:39:37 PM
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Do fat kids run marathons? No. And no Rand isn't logical when he estimates female danger. *NM*
07/01/2010 06:44:08 PM
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