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I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 07/01/2010 12:52:25 AM
no his actions are a ridiculous atrocity and his rationale is that those bodies were merely husks. The bigger issue isn't 100% what he did to all those people, but what he almost did to the Pattern! He could have destroyed the world in his effort to kill off one woman...


So you think a person with absolutely no free will, a puppet who mindlessly obeys Graendal is alive. Let me ask you a question. If you had a choice between that kind of existence and death, what would you choose.

Maybe you would rather exist than die, even as a mindless zombie and thats why you think it was wrong. I however would rather die than suffer like that. If WoT world were real, and I would be one of those in the palace, I would thank Rand if I could. Read my comparison to the paralysed blind mute person in one of the messages above to understand this better.

As for balefire.

If what you say is true, then I agree with you. If Rand came close to unraveling the pattern, just to kill Graendal, then indeed you are right and it would have been a insanely stupid thing to do.

But I argue that thats not what happened. I argue that LTT, having been there when balefire was developed and used knows how much to use. I argue that LTT/Rand knows far better how much the pattern can take than anyone else. I argue that despite whatever subjective reaction Min may have had, Rand did NOT significantly damage the pattern. Read some of the earlier posts for my attempts to examine this particular issue, I will not bother repeating it for you.


Is in any way qualified to be the judge/jury/executioner of these poor souls. He took away any possible chance they may have had of ever being freed of her! Nynaeve thinks about this after he tricked her into unraveling Kerbs compulsion... it would be like a Judge deciding that a person must be pulled off life support without having a Dr. examine them first... simply because others who had the same injury could not be cured.

I find that repugnant!

Your argument is around what people who are currently incapable of choosing would choose... I say they would choose to be cured, or at least have the effort made to be cured before they were summarily executed for being mind controlled.

As for LTT and Balefire ... what makes you think LTT was in control at that point? Every other scene with BF and LTT we've had LTT talks about the dangers, even the Forsaken pretty much refuse to use it!
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Rand the psycho? - 06/01/2010 02:53:30 AM 1513 Views
I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 04:07:33 AM 916 Views
On Balefire - 06/01/2010 04:43:18 AM 917 Views
Good point - 06/01/2010 05:04:26 AM 939 Views
On the nature of BaleFire - 06/01/2010 03:32:25 PM 845 Views
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Wait! - 06/01/2010 05:10:33 AM 880 Views
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I disagree - 06/01/2010 05:42:44 PM 696 Views
Re: I disagree - 06/01/2010 06:41:08 PM 695 Views
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I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 07:30:56 AM 830 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 03:32:24 PM 751 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 09:52:47 PM 789 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 11:19:56 PM 675 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 12:21:50 AM 757 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 12:56:26 AM 709 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 01:46:16 AM 695 Views
I agree with Templar - 09/01/2010 04:36:20 PM 700 Views
Re: I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 07:57:54 AM 793 Views
Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 02:36:42 PM 826 Views
Re: Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 04:16:12 PM 735 Views
But... - 06/01/2010 04:34:02 PM 845 Views
Re: But... - 06/01/2010 06:14:25 PM 665 Views
Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently? - 06/01/2010 02:55:38 PM 699 Views
No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM* - 06/01/2010 03:26:00 PM 380 Views
But not in this turning of the Wheel. So they'd miss out on MANY lifetimes. - 06/01/2010 05:46:04 PM 729 Views
What? - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM 729 Views
Where did you get that? - 06/01/2010 07:09:38 PM 697 Views
No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM* - 06/01/2010 09:58:18 PM 413 Views
LOL ... super-death! - 06/01/2010 11:59:31 PM 680 Views
Hah! *NM* - 07/01/2010 12:06:07 AM 332 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:20 AM 676 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:33 AM 654 Views
Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 06:51:15 PM 819 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 07:16:14 PM 716 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 08:58:40 PM 720 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 10:47:11 PM 741 Views
let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:26:43 PM 732 Views
Re: let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:40:56 PM 723 Views
actually that quote supports my thoughts - 06/01/2010 11:50:40 PM 750 Views
Re: actually that quote supports my thoughts - 07/01/2010 12:10:07 AM 698 Views
Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take. - 07/01/2010 12:00:44 AM 765 Views
Sigh. What mass murder? - 07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM 641 Views
you are kidding right? - 07/01/2010 12:19:58 AM 729 Views
In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:14:32 PM 720 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:57:43 PM 729 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:13:21 PM 741 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:52:24 PM 683 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 08:56:43 PM 750 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:26:01 PM 688 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:30:45 PM 631 Views
Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS! - 07/01/2010 09:42:57 PM 806 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM 735 Views
OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM 705 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 01:53:25 PM 664 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 02:56:41 PM 725 Views
What might work... - 08/01/2010 12:35:17 PM 662 Views
Re: What might work... - 08/01/2010 11:38:09 PM 666 Views
Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again - 06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM 820 Views
Meh - 06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM 659 Views
The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:33:32 PM 673 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:50:37 PM 745 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:55:03 PM 680 Views
I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good... - 07/01/2010 12:03:20 AM 723 Views
*laughs behind hand* - 07/01/2010 12:05:54 AM 795 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 07/01/2010 12:23:11 AM 664 Views
I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 12:52:25 AM 664 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 01:24:32 AM 738 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 03:33:52 PM 673 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 04:28:18 PM 816 Views
right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions - 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM 774 Views
Nice way to avoid the argument. - 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM 732 Views
I'm just done talking in circles. You seem to think that because people - 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM 762 Views
I concede - 07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM 656 Views
You weren't wrong overall, but there were some serious flaws in your reasoning. - 07/01/2010 02:43:17 AM 760 Views
Tee hee. - 07/01/2010 05:28:52 AM 707 Views
Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM 743 Views
Re: Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 03:23:59 PM 669 Views
I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 12:00:02 AM 743 Views
Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 05:56:16 PM 908 Views
Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 18/01/2010 01:00:23 PM 1004 Views
Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 11/01/2010 04:47:10 PM 640 Views
Re: Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 18/01/2010 12:49:26 PM 688 Views

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