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What? Datakim Send a noteboard - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM
In fact, it's almost like they've been murdered at birth every time their soul would have been reborn in that turning. And we have no idea how long each of the Seven Ages are.


Huh? Where are you getting this?

RJ said that balefire just killed you backwards in time.

So if I balefired you, it would essentially be the same if I traveled back in time 5 minutes, stabbed you with a sword, and then came back to the future. Your thread in the pattern would stop but your soul would be utterly unaffected. A piece of metal or balefire, no difference to how you will be reborn.

It does nothing for the soul. The soul is reborn normally. And while some souls might be born more rarely like Rand/LTT, it seems likely that most are born more often.

For example, it is very possible that Rahvin who was balefired has already been reborn. Maybe his soul is even one of Elayne's children. That would be ironic. And while I admit that its not very likely, there is no mechanism that says its impossible.

All those that died will be reborn normally. They would have been reborn equally normally if Rand had just burned the place to the ground with regular fire. It is likely that some who died in that palace will be reborn in a new infant within the next decade. Perhaps even before the books are over. I don't think there is anything to support the idea that they would all have to wait until all the ages reset.
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What? - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM 1023 Views
Where did you get that? - 06/01/2010 07:09:38 PM 988 Views
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Sigh. What mass murder? - 07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM 928 Views
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Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM 1051 Views
OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM 1057 Views
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What might work... - 08/01/2010 12:35:17 PM 923 Views
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Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again - 06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM 1119 Views
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The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:33:32 PM 953 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:50:37 PM 1052 Views
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*laughs behind hand* - 07/01/2010 12:05:54 AM 1083 Views
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right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions - 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM 1083 Views
Nice way to avoid the argument. - 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM 1017 Views
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I concede - 07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM 951 Views
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Tee hee. - 07/01/2010 05:28:52 AM 1020 Views
Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM 1026 Views
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Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 11/01/2010 04:47:10 PM 926 Views
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