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What? Datakim Send a noteboard - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM
In fact, it's almost like they've been murdered at birth every time their soul would have been reborn in that turning. And we have no idea how long each of the Seven Ages are.


Huh? Where are you getting this?

RJ said that balefire just killed you backwards in time.

So if I balefired you, it would essentially be the same if I traveled back in time 5 minutes, stabbed you with a sword, and then came back to the future. Your thread in the pattern would stop but your soul would be utterly unaffected. A piece of metal or balefire, no difference to how you will be reborn.

It does nothing for the soul. The soul is reborn normally. And while some souls might be born more rarely like Rand/LTT, it seems likely that most are born more often.

For example, it is very possible that Rahvin who was balefired has already been reborn. Maybe his soul is even one of Elayne's children. That would be ironic. And while I admit that its not very likely, there is no mechanism that says its impossible.

All those that died will be reborn normally. They would have been reborn equally normally if Rand had just burned the place to the ground with regular fire. It is likely that some who died in that palace will be reborn in a new infant within the next decade. Perhaps even before the books are over. I don't think there is anything to support the idea that they would all have to wait until all the ages reset.
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But... - 06/01/2010 04:34:02 PM 1053 Views
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No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM* - 06/01/2010 03:26:00 PM 489 Views
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What? - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM 935 Views
Where did you get that? - 06/01/2010 07:09:38 PM 893 Views
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LOL ... super-death! - 06/01/2010 11:59:31 PM 869 Views
Hah! *NM* - 07/01/2010 12:06:07 AM 497 Views
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Re: actually that quote supports my thoughts - 07/01/2010 12:10:07 AM 883 Views
Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take. - 07/01/2010 12:00:44 AM 999 Views
Sigh. What mass murder? - 07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM 832 Views
you are kidding right? - 07/01/2010 12:19:58 AM 940 Views
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Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS! - 07/01/2010 09:42:57 PM 998 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM 943 Views
OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM 950 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 01:53:25 PM 891 Views
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What might work... - 08/01/2010 12:35:17 PM 833 Views
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Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again - 06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM 1023 Views
Meh - 06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM 863 Views
The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:33:32 PM 858 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:50:37 PM 945 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:55:03 PM 916 Views
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*laughs behind hand* - 07/01/2010 12:05:54 AM 978 Views
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right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions - 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM 976 Views
Nice way to avoid the argument. - 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM 914 Views
I'm just done talking in circles. You seem to think that because people - 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM 949 Views
I concede - 07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM 850 Views
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Tee hee. - 07/01/2010 05:28:52 AM 917 Views
Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM 935 Views
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Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 11/01/2010 04:47:10 PM 829 Views
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