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What? Datakim Send a noteboard - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM
In fact, it's almost like they've been murdered at birth every time their soul would have been reborn in that turning. And we have no idea how long each of the Seven Ages are.


Huh? Where are you getting this?

RJ said that balefire just killed you backwards in time.

So if I balefired you, it would essentially be the same if I traveled back in time 5 minutes, stabbed you with a sword, and then came back to the future. Your thread in the pattern would stop but your soul would be utterly unaffected. A piece of metal or balefire, no difference to how you will be reborn.

It does nothing for the soul. The soul is reborn normally. And while some souls might be born more rarely like Rand/LTT, it seems likely that most are born more often.

For example, it is very possible that Rahvin who was balefired has already been reborn. Maybe his soul is even one of Elayne's children. That would be ironic. And while I admit that its not very likely, there is no mechanism that says its impossible.

All those that died will be reborn normally. They would have been reborn equally normally if Rand had just burned the place to the ground with regular fire. It is likely that some who died in that palace will be reborn in a new infant within the next decade. Perhaps even before the books are over. I don't think there is anything to support the idea that they would all have to wait until all the ages reset.
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Rand the psycho? - 06/01/2010 02:53:30 AM 1695 Views
I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 04:07:33 AM 1101 Views
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I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 07:30:56 AM 995 Views
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I agree with Templar - 09/01/2010 04:36:20 PM 866 Views
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Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 02:36:42 PM 989 Views
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But... - 06/01/2010 04:34:02 PM 1019 Views
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Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently? - 06/01/2010 02:55:38 PM 970 Views
No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM* - 06/01/2010 03:26:00 PM 471 Views
But not in this turning of the Wheel. So they'd miss out on MANY lifetimes. - 06/01/2010 05:46:04 PM 893 Views
What? - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM 909 Views
Where did you get that? - 06/01/2010 07:09:38 PM 860 Views
No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM* - 06/01/2010 09:58:18 PM 489 Views
LOL ... super-death! - 06/01/2010 11:59:31 PM 836 Views
Hah! *NM* - 07/01/2010 12:06:07 AM 480 Views
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Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 06:51:15 PM 969 Views
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Re: let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:40:56 PM 907 Views
actually that quote supports my thoughts - 06/01/2010 11:50:40 PM 948 Views
Re: actually that quote supports my thoughts - 07/01/2010 12:10:07 AM 862 Views
Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take. - 07/01/2010 12:00:44 AM 974 Views
Sigh. What mass murder? - 07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM 807 Views
you are kidding right? - 07/01/2010 12:19:58 AM 912 Views
In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:14:32 PM 875 Views
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Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:30:45 PM 802 Views
Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS! - 07/01/2010 09:42:57 PM 971 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM 919 Views
OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM 918 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 01:53:25 PM 867 Views
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What might work... - 08/01/2010 12:35:17 PM 812 Views
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Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again - 06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM 990 Views
Meh - 06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM 828 Views
The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:33:32 PM 836 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:50:37 PM 919 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:55:03 PM 886 Views
I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good... - 07/01/2010 12:03:20 AM 897 Views
*laughs behind hand* - 07/01/2010 12:05:54 AM 961 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 07/01/2010 12:23:11 AM 823 Views
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right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions - 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM 948 Views
Nice way to avoid the argument. - 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM 893 Views
I'm just done talking in circles. You seem to think that because people - 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM 923 Views
I concede - 07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM 830 Views
You weren't wrong overall, but there were some serious flaws in your reasoning. - 07/01/2010 02:43:17 AM 950 Views
Tee hee. - 07/01/2010 05:28:52 AM 898 Views
Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM 911 Views
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I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 12:00:02 AM 913 Views
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Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 11/01/2010 04:47:10 PM 808 Views
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