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What? Datakim Send a noteboard - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM
In fact, it's almost like they've been murdered at birth every time their soul would have been reborn in that turning. And we have no idea how long each of the Seven Ages are.


Huh? Where are you getting this?

RJ said that balefire just killed you backwards in time.

So if I balefired you, it would essentially be the same if I traveled back in time 5 minutes, stabbed you with a sword, and then came back to the future. Your thread in the pattern would stop but your soul would be utterly unaffected. A piece of metal or balefire, no difference to how you will be reborn.

It does nothing for the soul. The soul is reborn normally. And while some souls might be born more rarely like Rand/LTT, it seems likely that most are born more often.

For example, it is very possible that Rahvin who was balefired has already been reborn. Maybe his soul is even one of Elayne's children. That would be ironic. And while I admit that its not very likely, there is no mechanism that says its impossible.

All those that died will be reborn normally. They would have been reborn equally normally if Rand had just burned the place to the ground with regular fire. It is likely that some who died in that palace will be reborn in a new infant within the next decade. Perhaps even before the books are over. I don't think there is anything to support the idea that they would all have to wait until all the ages reset.
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Rand the psycho? - 06/01/2010 02:53:30 AM 1615 Views
I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 04:07:33 AM 1017 Views
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Good point - 06/01/2010 05:04:26 AM 1042 Views
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I disagree - 06/01/2010 05:42:44 PM 766 Views
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I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 07:30:56 AM 928 Views
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Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 12:56:26 AM 812 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 01:46:16 AM 849 Views
I agree with Templar - 09/01/2010 04:36:20 PM 796 Views
Re: I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 07:57:54 AM 907 Views
Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 02:36:42 PM 922 Views
Re: Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 04:16:12 PM 836 Views
But... - 06/01/2010 04:34:02 PM 948 Views
Re: But... - 06/01/2010 06:14:25 PM 762 Views
Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently? - 06/01/2010 02:55:38 PM 865 Views
No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM* - 06/01/2010 03:26:00 PM 425 Views
But not in this turning of the Wheel. So they'd miss out on MANY lifetimes. - 06/01/2010 05:46:04 PM 826 Views
What? - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM 844 Views
Where did you get that? - 06/01/2010 07:09:38 PM 796 Views
No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM* - 06/01/2010 09:58:18 PM 458 Views
LOL ... super-death! - 06/01/2010 11:59:31 PM 774 Views
Hah! *NM* - 07/01/2010 12:06:07 AM 427 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:20 AM 783 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:33 AM 756 Views
Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 06:51:15 PM 893 Views
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let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:26:43 PM 832 Views
Re: let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:40:56 PM 829 Views
actually that quote supports my thoughts - 06/01/2010 11:50:40 PM 846 Views
Re: actually that quote supports my thoughts - 07/01/2010 12:10:07 AM 805 Views
Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take. - 07/01/2010 12:00:44 AM 862 Views
Sigh. What mass murder? - 07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM 749 Views
you are kidding right? - 07/01/2010 12:19:58 AM 838 Views
In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:14:32 PM 818 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:57:43 PM 827 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:13:21 PM 840 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:52:24 PM 784 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 08:56:43 PM 853 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:26:01 PM 784 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:30:45 PM 728 Views
Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS! - 07/01/2010 09:42:57 PM 907 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM 840 Views
OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM 822 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 01:53:25 PM 774 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 02:56:41 PM 829 Views
What might work... - 08/01/2010 12:35:17 PM 740 Views
Re: What might work... - 08/01/2010 11:38:09 PM 761 Views
Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again - 06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM 917 Views
Meh - 06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM 759 Views
The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:33:32 PM 768 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:50:37 PM 843 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:55:03 PM 790 Views
I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good... - 07/01/2010 12:03:20 AM 821 Views
*laughs behind hand* - 07/01/2010 12:05:54 AM 898 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 07/01/2010 12:23:11 AM 766 Views
I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 12:52:25 AM 772 Views
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Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 04:28:18 PM 920 Views
right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions - 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM 876 Views
Nice way to avoid the argument. - 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM 826 Views
I'm just done talking in circles. You seem to think that because people - 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM 861 Views
I concede - 07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM 755 Views
You weren't wrong overall, but there were some serious flaws in your reasoning. - 07/01/2010 02:43:17 AM 864 Views
Tee hee. - 07/01/2010 05:28:52 AM 815 Views
Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM 845 Views
Re: Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 03:23:59 PM 771 Views
I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 12:00:02 AM 850 Views
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Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 18/01/2010 01:00:23 PM 1134 Views
Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 11/01/2010 04:47:10 PM 738 Views
Re: Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 18/01/2010 12:49:26 PM 780 Views

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