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Re: Wait! Datakim Send a noteboard - 06/01/2010 03:55:01 PM

Not irrelevant at all. If I recall, some things aren't just all about out and out brute strength with the OP. It takes the two halves of the OP working together to accomplish the greatest feats. That's why there were two CK and an access key for each. And the CK weren't simply made for creating balefire, but for resealing the DO's prison, only that effort fell apart when the CK were lost into Shadow territory during the war.


Yes. But the point is that the CK were being built, because not even mixed links of 72, composed of both men and women, would have been sufficient to do what had to be done. That suggests to me atleast that the CK are far more powerfull than the maximum circles available to the AoLers.

The point I am making is that the before they understood the danger, the AoLers were able to take out cities with 100K people in, and I quote "one go". To me that suggests an instant annihilation.

We know that Rand, the most powerfull channeler, using an angreal in rage, using all his strength, created a bar as thick as 1 meter.

The city/town I live in is relatively small. Only 70K people. And yet it is 37 km width. Now thats not exact since cities are not perfect squares but go with me. Lets take 7 km away just for that and we get 30km.

If there is no way to modify the width of the balefire, how the heck would a circle of 72, which is the absolute maximum, create a bar of 30km width! The power required would be utterly silly. Not to mention that if strength and width were connected, the balefire stream there would have had to burn all those 100K people back days or even weeks. Which would probably have instantly destroyed the pattern.

I think there is a way to choose how balefire works, and that when that city was wiped out, the balefire was made in such a way that it was incredibly large, but incredibly weak. So each citizen of that city was burned back by lets say half a second only. And the strength all went into the area of effect.

Now that would still be devastating ofcourse. Even though the people were barely burned, it was still a hundred thousand people taken out of the pattern in a single go as RJ said. Nasty stuff.

The bottom line is, I think it is perfectly reasonable of me to think that when Rand balefired Graendals palace, he did this. He used a small amount of what CK could offer to extend the balefire streams width, so that he would take out the entire palace in "one go". But he kept the total strength as low as possible to minimise the damage since he did not want to unmake existence just yet. In doing so he got Graendal (probably) but did not cause immense damage. Some yes, but not anywhere close enough to bring the pattern anywhere near to total destruction which is what Min and Nynaeve seemed to think.
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Rand the psycho? - 06/01/2010 02:53:30 AM 1585 Views
I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 04:07:33 AM 986 Views
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I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 07:30:56 AM 900 Views
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I agree with Templar - 09/01/2010 04:36:20 PM 768 Views
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Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 02:36:42 PM 892 Views
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But... - 06/01/2010 04:34:02 PM 918 Views
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Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently? - 06/01/2010 02:55:38 PM 769 Views
No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM* - 06/01/2010 03:26:00 PM 406 Views
But not in this turning of the Wheel. So they'd miss out on MANY lifetimes. - 06/01/2010 05:46:04 PM 794 Views
What? - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM 797 Views
Where did you get that? - 06/01/2010 07:09:38 PM 764 Views
No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM* - 06/01/2010 09:58:18 PM 443 Views
LOL ... super-death! - 06/01/2010 11:59:31 PM 742 Views
Hah! *NM* - 07/01/2010 12:06:07 AM 377 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:20 AM 753 Views
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Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 06:51:15 PM 861 Views
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Re: let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:40:56 PM 795 Views
actually that quote supports my thoughts - 06/01/2010 11:50:40 PM 818 Views
Re: actually that quote supports my thoughts - 07/01/2010 12:10:07 AM 774 Views
Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take. - 07/01/2010 12:00:44 AM 826 Views
Sigh. What mass murder? - 07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM 714 Views
you are kidding right? - 07/01/2010 12:19:58 AM 805 Views
In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:14:32 PM 783 Views
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Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:13:21 PM 811 Views
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Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:30:45 PM 696 Views
Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS! - 07/01/2010 09:42:57 PM 874 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM 809 Views
OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM 784 Views
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What might work... - 08/01/2010 12:35:17 PM 708 Views
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Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again - 06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM 885 Views
Meh - 06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM 730 Views
The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:33:32 PM 736 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:50:37 PM 815 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:55:03 PM 757 Views
I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good... - 07/01/2010 12:03:20 AM 788 Views
*laughs behind hand* - 07/01/2010 12:05:54 AM 869 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 07/01/2010 12:23:11 AM 737 Views
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right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions - 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM 842 Views
Nice way to avoid the argument. - 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM 795 Views
I'm just done talking in circles. You seem to think that because people - 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM 830 Views
I concede - 07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM 725 Views
You weren't wrong overall, but there were some serious flaws in your reasoning. - 07/01/2010 02:43:17 AM 833 Views
Tee hee. - 07/01/2010 05:28:52 AM 772 Views
Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM 817 Views
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I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 12:00:02 AM 815 Views
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Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 11/01/2010 04:47:10 PM 708 Views
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