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Re: Wait! Datakim Send a noteboard - 06/01/2010 05:58:00 AM

In the AoL, men and women linked together and as such, would have linked, likely with angreal and sa'angreal to create such a stream of balefire. From what the books imply, the amount of power used determines how large the beam of balefire will be.


Irrelevant. If a link of 72 could match the power offered by the CK, there would never have been a need to construct them, and the AS could have used a link to create the barrier they were intending to use the CK for.

CK was created at the end of the war, after the whole balefire thing. This means that when those cities were balefired, LESS power was used than CK at maximum.

It seems to me then, that if the power was directly connected to the width of the destruction area, to destroy a city of 100K people would have required a truly humongous amount of power. More than the AoLers had available.

I mean when Rand, the most powerfull channeler, using an angreal creates the most powerfull balefirestream he can, its about the thickness of a man. A meter or so maybe? How big is a city of 100K. Many kilometers certainly. If the only way to increase the thickness of the bar is extra strength. and the most powerfull channeler, with an angreal could only create a bar meter thick, imagine the sheer immense power required to do one several kilometers thick to wipe out a city in a single blow.

So it seems likely to me that there is a way to create a balefire bar that destroyes things in a large area, but only burns things back a short time. Essentially, this strongly implies that a skilled channeler can alter the form of the balefire. It can be a spear directed at a single target with most of the strength in it going to burn the target backwards as much as possible. Or it can be a sort of weapon of mass destruction, where the strength is added to the area effected, while lessening the time the threads burn backwards.

Given that, the most likely explanation to me was that Rand, using LTT knowledge did just that. He used the CK to create a beam wide enough to erase the whole of the palace at a single blow, but still kept the total strength level low to miminize the damage to the pattern.

I should also say that if the pattern could survive the instant annihilation of hundred thousand people at a single instant, how bad could the deaths of 300 people truly be? Adds more credence to the idea that Rand, with LTT's memories knows far better how much the pattern can take than Cadsuane or any other AS.

Seems clear to me, though I do admit that I am pretty tired and going to bed now. Hopefully this will still make sense to me in the morning.

Goodnight all!
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Rand the psycho? - 06/01/2010 02:53:30 AM 1593 Views
I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 04:07:33 AM 992 Views
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Good point - 06/01/2010 05:04:26 AM 1015 Views
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Wait! - 06/01/2010 05:10:33 AM 949 Views
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I disagree - 06/01/2010 05:42:44 PM 742 Views
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I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 07:30:56 AM 905 Views
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Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 01:46:16 AM 798 Views
I agree with Templar - 09/01/2010 04:36:20 PM 775 Views
Re: I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 07:57:54 AM 884 Views
Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 02:36:42 PM 899 Views
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But... - 06/01/2010 04:34:02 PM 925 Views
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Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently? - 06/01/2010 02:55:38 PM 787 Views
No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM* - 06/01/2010 03:26:00 PM 409 Views
But not in this turning of the Wheel. So they'd miss out on MANY lifetimes. - 06/01/2010 05:46:04 PM 803 Views
What? - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM 808 Views
Where did you get that? - 06/01/2010 07:09:38 PM 772 Views
No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM* - 06/01/2010 09:58:18 PM 448 Views
LOL ... super-death! - 06/01/2010 11:59:31 PM 753 Views
Hah! *NM* - 07/01/2010 12:06:07 AM 389 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:20 AM 761 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:33 AM 736 Views
Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 06:51:15 PM 868 Views
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let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:26:43 PM 807 Views
Re: let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:40:56 PM 804 Views
actually that quote supports my thoughts - 06/01/2010 11:50:40 PM 825 Views
Re: actually that quote supports my thoughts - 07/01/2010 12:10:07 AM 780 Views
Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take. - 07/01/2010 12:00:44 AM 836 Views
Sigh. What mass murder? - 07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM 723 Views
you are kidding right? - 07/01/2010 12:19:58 AM 813 Views
In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:14:32 PM 796 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:57:43 PM 802 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:13:21 PM 817 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:52:24 PM 758 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 08:56:43 PM 832 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:26:01 PM 763 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:30:45 PM 705 Views
Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS! - 07/01/2010 09:42:57 PM 883 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM 816 Views
OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM 793 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 01:53:25 PM 749 Views
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What might work... - 08/01/2010 12:35:17 PM 716 Views
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Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again - 06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM 892 Views
Meh - 06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM 739 Views
The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:33:32 PM 744 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:50:37 PM 822 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:55:03 PM 767 Views
I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good... - 07/01/2010 12:03:20 AM 799 Views
*laughs behind hand* - 07/01/2010 12:05:54 AM 874 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 07/01/2010 12:23:11 AM 743 Views
I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 12:52:25 AM 748 Views
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right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions - 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM 850 Views
Nice way to avoid the argument. - 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM 806 Views
I'm just done talking in circles. You seem to think that because people - 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM 838 Views
I concede - 07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM 732 Views
You weren't wrong overall, but there were some serious flaws in your reasoning. - 07/01/2010 02:43:17 AM 840 Views
Tee hee. - 07/01/2010 05:28:52 AM 787 Views
Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM 826 Views
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I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 12:00:02 AM 823 Views
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Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 11/01/2010 04:47:10 PM 717 Views
Re: Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 18/01/2010 12:49:26 PM 758 Views

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