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USe Occam's Razor yourself... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 06/01/2010 05:53:22 AM

Compulsion causes permanent brain damage, the heavier the compulsion is, the more severe the damage. Elza seemed dazed and in shock after the compulsion put on her by Verin was removed. Nynaeve has forgotten some things due to the compulsion that was laid on her by Moghedien. Both their cases was mild, not "heavy", so how would Ramshalan appear scot free with heavy compulsion removed. Besides, removing compulsion is a long arduous process. It Nynaeve more than an hour. Graendal is an expert in laying compulsion but I don't think she'd do any better than Nynaeve in removing it.

Nynaeve herself says that the compulsion used on Ramshalan was different from the one used on Kerb, and was less strong. And Ramshalan was indeed shown to be confused after it was removed.

Also, it took Nynaeve a long time because she hadn't woven it, and was doing it for the first time with no teaching to fall back upon.

Semirhage, for example, definitely did not take one hour to remove's Elza's compulsion.

Occam's razor states that the most simple obvious explanation is usually the best one. The only explanation that fits the facts is that the woman who put the compusion is dead.


Use Occam's razor and tell me why Graendal had her slave Kerb poison the Domani merchant. Why did she send yet another of her compelled slaves to replace the one who was killed by the merchant. Wasn't she just reiterating the risk?
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Re: Graendal's Fate (Alive or Dead?) randfandom - 05/01/2010 06:46:19 PM 1133 Views
Re: Graendal's Fate (Alive or Dead?) Shishka - 05/01/2010 07:15:41 PM 1000 Views
Nynaeve's boat... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2010 07:23:57 PM 968 Views
Balefire is REALLY confusing. Datakim - 05/01/2010 07:41:05 PM 850 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 05/01/2010 07:52:04 PM 818 Views
I'm somewhat surprised objects have threads. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2010 08:45:52 PM 4550 Views
Re: I'm somewhat surprised objects have threads. Shishka - 05/01/2010 09:23:06 PM 804 Views
Re: I'm somewhat surprised objects have threads. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2010 10:30:42 PM 821 Views
Wasn't there a quote somewhere BlackAdder - 06/01/2010 02:05:32 AM 742 Views
Probably a bit of retconning there by Brandon Lord Haart - 06/01/2010 03:34:55 PM 773 Views
BS is definitely wrong here BlackAdder - 06/01/2010 02:01:23 AM 790 Views
Re: BS is definitely wrong here Lord Haart - 06/01/2010 03:36:06 PM 763 Views
There is another way... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2010 07:00:31 PM 807 Views
Re: There is another way... Shishka - 05/01/2010 07:35:05 PM 845 Views
Re: There is another way... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2010 11:05:26 PM 761 Views
Nope randfandom - 06/01/2010 04:36:56 AM 841 Views
USe Occam's Razor yourself... fionwe1987 - 06/01/2010 05:53:22 AM 960 Views
and why didn't she invert any of the weaves? darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 05:55:54 AM 787 Views
Exactly! *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/01/2010 05:27:52 PM 415 Views
Maybe you cannot invert compulsion? Datakim - 06/01/2010 06:56:35 PM 809 Views
so it's the one and only thing we've seen that can't be inverted? seems a little darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 11:31:09 PM 723 Views
Re: so it's the one and only thing we've seen that can't be inverted? Datakim - 07/01/2010 12:02:00 AM 671 Views
I am inclined to agree with Datakim here. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2010 02:04:42 AM 988 Views
Why aren't inverted weaves standard practice? BlackAdder - 07/01/2010 01:24:09 AM 829 Views
Balefire is so confusing Datakim - 05/01/2010 07:03:29 PM 845 Views
Re: Balefire is so confusing Shishka - 05/01/2010 08:52:57 PM 819 Views
She's dead as a bloody doornail. Or whatever that saying is... *NM* lilltempest - 05/01/2010 07:20:36 PM 410 Views
Clearly dead Etzel - 05/01/2010 07:29:11 PM 990 Views
Re: Clearly dead Shishka - 05/01/2010 08:21:16 PM 857 Views
Re: Clearly dead Datakim - 05/01/2010 08:41:15 PM 805 Views
I think... Etzel - 05/01/2010 09:05:48 PM 814 Views
No way. Gher - 05/01/2010 07:31:12 PM 886 Views
Re: No way. Shishka - 05/01/2010 08:31:54 PM 755 Views
Re: No way. Gher - 05/01/2010 10:16:03 PM 794 Views
Graendal's as dead as BS/RJ makes her. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 06/01/2010 02:40:46 AM 401 Views
She's dead as dead gets. everynametaken - 06/01/2010 01:43:34 AM 733 Views
Dead is my bet Sidious - 06/01/2010 11:48:46 AM 756 Views
She's dead *NM* Simon - 06/01/2010 11:58:34 AM 381 Views
Dead. *NM* AgentOrange - 06/01/2010 03:58:19 PM 384 Views
I think she's alive. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/01/2010 06:12:50 PM 770 Views
Compulsion is rather useless isn't it? Syraelle - 06/01/2010 07:44:42 PM 857 Views
It may take an exceptional Delver/Healer Gher - 06/01/2010 08:49:37 PM 823 Views
perhaps, but still I have a hard time believing Graendal didn't invert the weaves! darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 11:06:49 PM 764 Views
Re: perhaps, but still I have a hard time believing Graendal didn't invert the weaves! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 03:42:17 PM 796 Views
What if.. Tweak - 06/01/2010 10:41:44 PM 728 Views
I'll roll my eyes, and snort if she's alive Wotmaniac Reborn - 08/01/2010 04:21:20 AM 746 Views
Well... Heiko - 10/01/2010 03:24:39 AM 958 Views
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