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Nope randfandom Send a noteboard - 06/01/2010 04:36:56 AM

Could it not be that from her hidden location, Granedal removed the compulsion. Since it wasn't too strong, Ramshalan's mind was not screwed, and Nynaeve was able to report that it was removed.

Notice that some time passed between Rand's balefiring of the palace and Nynaeve's testing of Ramshalan. That time is sufficient to account for the removal of the compulsion.


Compulsion causes permanent brain damage, the heavier the compulsion is, the more severe the damage. Elza seemed dazed and in shock after the compulsion put on her by Verin was removed. Nynaeve has forgotten some things due to the compulsion that was laid on her by Moghedien. Both their cases was mild, not "heavy", so how would Ramshalan appear scot free with heavy compulsion removed. Besides, removing compulsion is a long arduous process. It Nynaeve more than an hour. Graendal is an expert in laying compulsion but I don't think she'd do any better than Nynaeve in removing it.

Occam's razor states that the most simple obvious explanation is usually the best one. The only explanation that fits the facts is that the woman who put the compusion is dead.

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Graendal's Fate (Alive or Dead?) Shishka - 05/01/2010 05:44:12 PM 2515 Views
Re: Graendal's Fate (Alive or Dead?) randfandom - 05/01/2010 06:46:19 PM 1257 Views
Re: Graendal's Fate (Alive or Dead?) Shishka - 05/01/2010 07:15:41 PM 1117 Views
Nynaeve's boat... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2010 07:23:57 PM 1090 Views
Balefire is REALLY confusing. Datakim - 05/01/2010 07:41:05 PM 986 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 05/01/2010 07:52:04 PM 927 Views
I'm somewhat surprised objects have threads. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2010 08:45:52 PM 4664 Views
Re: I'm somewhat surprised objects have threads. Shishka - 05/01/2010 09:23:06 PM 920 Views
Re: I'm somewhat surprised objects have threads. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2010 10:30:42 PM 965 Views
Wasn't there a quote somewhere BlackAdder - 06/01/2010 02:05:32 AM 886 Views
Probably a bit of retconning there by Brandon Lord Haart - 06/01/2010 03:34:55 PM 867 Views
BS is definitely wrong here BlackAdder - 06/01/2010 02:01:23 AM 889 Views
Re: BS is definitely wrong here Lord Haart - 06/01/2010 03:36:06 PM 861 Views
There is another way... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2010 07:00:31 PM 945 Views
Re: There is another way... Shishka - 05/01/2010 07:35:05 PM 973 Views
Re: There is another way... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2010 11:05:26 PM 894 Views
Nope randfandom - 06/01/2010 04:36:56 AM 954 Views
USe Occam's Razor yourself... fionwe1987 - 06/01/2010 05:53:22 AM 1085 Views
and why didn't she invert any of the weaves? darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 05:55:54 AM 904 Views
Exactly! *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/01/2010 05:27:52 PM 477 Views
Maybe you cannot invert compulsion? Datakim - 06/01/2010 06:56:35 PM 910 Views
so it's the one and only thing we've seen that can't be inverted? seems a little darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 11:31:09 PM 839 Views
Re: so it's the one and only thing we've seen that can't be inverted? Datakim - 07/01/2010 12:02:00 AM 799 Views
I am inclined to agree with Datakim here. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2010 02:04:42 AM 1107 Views
Why aren't inverted weaves standard practice? BlackAdder - 07/01/2010 01:24:09 AM 942 Views
Balefire is so confusing Datakim - 05/01/2010 07:03:29 PM 974 Views
Re: Balefire is so confusing Shishka - 05/01/2010 08:52:57 PM 961 Views
She's dead as a bloody doornail. Or whatever that saying is... *NM* lilltempest - 05/01/2010 07:20:36 PM 484 Views
Clearly dead Etzel - 05/01/2010 07:29:11 PM 1104 Views
Re: Clearly dead Shishka - 05/01/2010 08:21:16 PM 984 Views
Re: Clearly dead Datakim - 05/01/2010 08:41:15 PM 904 Views
I think... Etzel - 05/01/2010 09:05:48 PM 954 Views
No way. Gher - 05/01/2010 07:31:12 PM 1001 Views
Re: No way. Shishka - 05/01/2010 08:31:54 PM 881 Views
Re: No way. Gher - 05/01/2010 10:16:03 PM 938 Views
Graendal's as dead as BS/RJ makes her. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 06/01/2010 02:40:46 AM 456 Views
She's dead as dead gets. everynametaken - 06/01/2010 01:43:34 AM 838 Views
Dead is my bet Sidious - 06/01/2010 11:48:46 AM 856 Views
She's dead *NM* Simon - 06/01/2010 11:58:34 AM 450 Views
Dead. *NM* AgentOrange - 06/01/2010 03:58:19 PM 459 Views
I think she's alive. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/01/2010 06:12:50 PM 885 Views
Compulsion is rather useless isn't it? Syraelle - 06/01/2010 07:44:42 PM 993 Views
It may take an exceptional Delver/Healer Gher - 06/01/2010 08:49:37 PM 941 Views
perhaps, but still I have a hard time believing Graendal didn't invert the weaves! darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 11:06:49 PM 880 Views
Re: perhaps, but still I have a hard time believing Graendal didn't invert the weaves! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 03:42:17 PM 922 Views
What if.. Tweak - 06/01/2010 10:41:44 PM 851 Views
I'll roll my eyes, and snort if she's alive Wotmaniac Reborn - 08/01/2010 04:21:20 AM 843 Views
Well... Heiko - 10/01/2010 03:24:39 AM 1076 Views
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