well since you point out that even RJ didn't assign absolutes I think it's less weak than your "Average AS must be a 20" argument. At least my system allows for variations between Sheriam and Verin ... on your list they are just "Average" and that's it.



I've never noticed that you pay attention to much aside from making Lanfear so powerful that she should be the creator

Again you put words in my mouth ... where did I say you could outclass the Forsaken? I didn't, but I don't believe it's because they are soooo much stronger than anyone. They understand the use of the OP in ways no one else in the series does! They say things like "they think 90% of what we take for granted is impossible" and dismiss even the strongest of modern channelers because they are "half-trained girls" (Sommeryn)... Graendal isn't even worried about Cyndane being stronger because she assumes that Cyndane is of the modern age. You make it out to sound like I've been claiming that Egwene or Moiraine could beat a FS... I've said many times in this thread that even at 2x the raw strength none of the modern channelers would stand up against the FS unless they caught them by surprise.

Show me one quote where skill is "irrelevant". Every one of the FS falls back on skills rather than comment on raw strength. The modern agers are trained to think that strength is the most important thing, but if you read the series it's pretty clear that the most skilled channelers accomplish the most in most cases. It's woven into so many places in the books I'm not even going to bother providing you a quote.



No it doesn't Egwene is weaker, by some unknown margin, thus couldn't overpower Moghedien under any circumstance, and she's less skilled by a vast gulf of knowledge. Even with a strong angreal she would lose. How many times do I have to say that for you to hear it? The amount weaker Egwene is to Mog makes no difference at all! IMO Nynaeve would have no chance if Moghedien came on her by surprise either... despite being stronger.



Nynaeve attacked Moghedien when Moghedien had no idea Nynaeve would even recognizer her ... and quite frankly the way you talk about things on this board you seem to be the one to expect a formal duel... I certainly don't!



I place skill as the major reason the FS are so deadly. Their strength in the Power is another reason, but it's fairly obvious that no matter how strong you are if you have little or no skill you aren't all that effective.



Dude, she threw a massive weave at Moghedien and the basically arm wrestled. Moghedien had no opportunity to even try and use inverted weaves etc... so yes, Nynaeve made it about strength.




and just because you think Lanfear was the most skilled doesn't make it so either. You are quick to say how things are merely my opinion (which I have never denied, I kind of thought the whole point of a forum was to express ones opinions), yet never own up to what is your opinion!



Yet even with all of these tools Alivia still couldn't kill Cyndane... speaks to me that Cadsuane at least knows that Alivia would need any advantage to offset her obvious lack of skill in anything not destructive.



LOL ... okay that one I agree with




I've been saying this exact thing since forever! Where have I ever said that strength is this important???



No I stubbornly believe that the amount of difference between her and Moghedien is irrelevant because she's not nearly skilled enough to take her on. 10% weaker of 50% weaker would make no difference in a contest between the two of them. Nynaeve is actually stronger than Moghedien and caught her by surprise...



sometime I feel like you need to hear the obvious so you don't try to throw it back on me