Re: I'm being harsh with one poster who continues to mis-quote things!
Sidious Send a noteboard - 04/01/2010 03:52:19 PM
I don't think they could defeat Lanfear. We have proof that she is far too skilled for that! What I said is that the quote shows us that in Raw strength the 2 would be stronger than her by a large enough margin to be considered by Moiraine to be "Overwhelming" ... so was Alivia when she faced Cyndane ... and she could barely hold her own!
Moiraine thinks they might overwhelm Semirhage. That could mean they are equal to Semirhage. Or Moiraine thinks they could overwhelm Lanfear - making them stronger than her if they link. It's too vague. It at least means that they can challenge a Forsaken if they work together.
I've been saying that for years, it's obvious that he wanted it to be vague so he had the maximum freedom to write.
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She thinks Nynaeve may have been able to split her flows a dozen ways and knows at this point she would no be able to do this
Ugh, then why the whole kitten analogy earlier from her?
Show's she grown considerably since TSR and is now capable of matching feats incredible skill, something only the strongest channelers could do
Sure, she can weave 14 flows, but it's not evidence that she's high up in the Power. She might be strong in the five Powers.
Just the fact that she's already as stronge as any sister in the Tower as soon as she begins channeling (TGH). Or that she's nearly as strong as Rand in TSR according to Egwene if you take the quote to mean nothing but strength. If she's not up in the 85%+ range of her strength early on she'd be massively stronger than even Rand.
We've discussed this.
I don't think the evidence supports that. There are Women like Cadsuane, Bode, Nicole, Kerene, Meilyn and Therava all between Moiraine and Egwene, and the weakest of them (that we can map to) is a "Sharp increase" above Moiraine. Then you get at least 1 other woman before you even get to Cadsuane who is probably weaker yet than Bode! From Egwene to Nynaeve we have 3 women we know to be stronger and that margin is undefined. You choose to make it very wide, I think that doesn't match up with any kind of Bell Curve distribution. I also think it's ridiculous to assume RJ would make one of his primary protagonists only "average".
Egwene isn't average - she has rare strength and the combined strength of a few women. I see no problem. She's also got several rare Talents. Either way, Elza says that Cadsuane must be using an angreal because she's channeling more than Merise and she combined - which means that Cadsuane is weaker than two Aes Sedai. Thus we have Moiraine at 25, Cadsuane at 30, Bode at 30, Nicola at 40 and Egwene at 50. Egwene is stronger than two Aes Sedai, as reaffirmed by Aviendha. Liandrin thinks that three Sisters can overwhelm Moghedien, and two can hold Nynaeve but not defeat her in battle - a strong sign that Nynaeve is at least as strong as three women. 1..2..3... that's the gap I usually put in.
That doesn't change what I said. Those men are still stronger than their female counterparts.
Sigh. What does that strength mean if women can bridge the gap to the same degree? It's like saying that men and women can throw a ball the same distance but men have bigger arms - the arms mean nothing if the result is the same.
Now who's got a whole mass of speculation Lanfear had a whole lot more skill at her disposal, and Rand from his own POV was also holding back because he didn't want to kill her!
I'm merely pointing out that Lanfear can shield Rand. She has the power to do so if he's holding his maximum.
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One Power strength - critical analysis of previous posts and some further ideas
03/01/2010 07:59:24 AM
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I support your view, with maybe a few comments to add...
03/01/2010 02:58:05 PM
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where is this phantom quote of Egwene "not standing a chance"
03/01/2010 05:20:20 PM
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Here's the real quote
03/01/2010 05:38:59 PM
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Well that quote perfectly illustrates the skewed way in which you interpret the evidence...
03/01/2010 06:18:22 PM
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I also think the quote is specific
03/01/2010 06:34:38 PM
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Skill not Strength is the key that and the potential that another FS was with her
03/01/2010 06:51:46 PM
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Bah
03/01/2010 07:13:01 PM
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Who's arguing that?
03/01/2010 07:34:21 PM
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What ARE you arguing?
03/01/2010 07:43:06 PM
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That there is far more to strength in her quote!
03/01/2010 08:05:20 PM
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Re: That there is far more to strength in her quote!
04/01/2010 09:40:05 AM
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and where do I ever say Elayne is only a small step below Moghedien?
04/01/2010 03:08:37 PM
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You more than imply it with your own list
04/01/2010 03:39:06 PM
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and you are fixated on simple strength to the exclusion of everything else
04/01/2010 05:05:54 PM
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Re: and you are fixated on simple strength to the exclusion of everything else
04/01/2010 06:46:45 PM
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Tiny Unimportant Objection to "Bell Curve" Point
03/01/2010 03:09:55 PM
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Re: Tiny Unimportant Objection to "Bell Curve" Point
03/01/2010 04:39:25 PM
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I've got a slightly revised opinion than my last post
03/01/2010 05:16:39 PM
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Re: I've got a slightly revised opinion than my last post
03/01/2010 06:31:09 PM
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It's actually not that complicated ... simple math actually
03/01/2010 07:08:52 PM
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Yes, but to think that RJ put that much effort into it is improbable
03/01/2010 07:19:13 PM
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I'm being harsh with one poster who continues to mis-quote things!
03/01/2010 07:56:17 PM
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Re: I'm being harsh with one poster who continues to mis-quote things!
04/01/2010 09:50:38 AM
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Re: I'm being harsh with one poster who continues to mis-quote things!
04/01/2010 03:26:10 PM
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Re: I'm being harsh with one poster who continues to mis-quote things!
04/01/2010 03:52:19 PM
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You are talking out of both sides of your mouth
04/01/2010 05:09:15 PM
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Dude
04/01/2010 06:21:28 PM
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Dude, please go back to Fionwe's post
04/01/2010 06:35:03 PM
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A reply...
03/01/2010 06:02:33 PM
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The Tower sample is skewed allright, but to the upper side of the strength range...
03/01/2010 06:36:45 PM
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Re: A reply...
03/01/2010 07:09:55 PM
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I think distance is related to Strength
03/01/2010 07:21:46 PM
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amusing side note
04/01/2010 05:22:39 AM
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Which is exactly what I envisage the AOL distribution to have looked like...
04/01/2010 07:03:51 AM
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Re: Which is exactly what I envisage the AOL distribution to have looked like...
04/01/2010 03:29:47 PM
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It may sound silly, but did you look at One Power values in the Wheel of Time CCG?
05/01/2010 12:56:41 AM
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Re: It may sound silly, but did you look at One Power values in the Wheel of Time CCG?
05/01/2010 07:33:21 AM
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