Egwene would have no idea Moghedien was even there. Masked ability and inverted weaves would have Egwene taken care of before she even knew she was being attacked.
Let's look at skill vs. strength... Even by your scale Moghedien is not close to 2x Egwene, this has been shown as a differential that can be overcome, so why would Egwene worry so much about mere strength which she already knows she cannot match 100% ... and with Moghedien being even 10% Stronger and VASTLY more skilled Egwene knows how the outcome will look. Even if she was 50% stronger than Moghedien she'd probably lose unless she, like Nynaeve, had surprise on her side.
My problem with you is that you consistently make claims like "Even holding 3 men bound in Air Merean is overwhelmingly stronger" when the quote is "Merean was holding 3 small people and was a maybe stronger" are you trying to be deliberately misleading or are you just that lazy as to refuse to look up the actual text?
You try to provide your opinion or interpretation as absolute fact which so far I've found to be very far from reality since in almost every case when I've investigated your quotes you have it wrong.
Let's look at skill vs. strength... Even by your scale Moghedien is not close to 2x Egwene, this has been shown as a differential that can be overcome, so why would Egwene worry so much about mere strength which she already knows she cannot match 100% ... and with Moghedien being even 10% Stronger and VASTLY more skilled Egwene knows how the outcome will look. Even if she was 50% stronger than Moghedien she'd probably lose unless she, like Nynaeve, had surprise on her side.
My problem with you is that you consistently make claims like "Even holding 3 men bound in Air Merean is overwhelmingly stronger" when the quote is "Merean was holding 3 small people and was a maybe stronger" are you trying to be deliberately misleading or are you just that lazy as to refuse to look up the actual text?
You try to provide your opinion or interpretation as absolute fact which so far I've found to be very far from reality since in almost every case when I've investigated your quotes you have it wrong.
The Merean reference is an overreaction on your part. You seem to think that I was trying to make a point about the weight of the people Merean was holding in her weave of Air. In fact, I was doing no such thing. It was not really important whether she was holding three men, or a man, woman and child.
The point of that post was that Merean was holding 3 other weaves, and was still defeating Moiraine. Moiraine herself stated that she was losing the battle and was hoping that Lan could intervene to help her.
We know that holding two weaves is more than twice as hard as holding one, and that holding three weaves is more than twice again as hard as holding two, and holding four weaves is again more than twice as hard as holding three.
So here we have Merean, wielding three substantial weaves (holding people in weaves of Air), and at the same time wielding a fourth weave which is gradually overcoming Moiraine in a one on one battle.
So the whole issue that you're raising is in fact a non-issue. Moiraine's herself raised the fact that Merean was so much stronger than her that she can handle those three weaves and at the same time be more than a match for Moiraine. This was borne out by the ensuing battle.
I know the internet can be hard to translate emotions ... I'm not trying to be pissy, just pointing out that if you aren't going to post quotes to support what you are saying I'm going to call you out for misquoting the text.
You paraphrase quotes/situations to lend weight to your argument, never post the actual quotes when asked, and when I look 99% of the time you've changed the situation from "Merean can match, and maybe more" into "Merean was still overwhelmingly more powerful" ... it's simply an example... you've also claimed "Egwene and Aviendha might match Lanfear" when the quote is "Egwene and Aviendha could overwhelm Lanfear (or Graendal etc).
Back to Merean though... there is nothing saying there are even 3 weaves, much less substantial ones. The quote simply states that Merean has 3 people bound with air (something nearly every channeler we've seen can accomplish with ease) and is still fighting at about the same strength level that Moiraine has. We've seen Rand and others use a single flow to hold multiple people. Merean could be as little as 10% stronger than Moiraine and still pull this off!
But by your own reckoning Egwene must be powerful indeed... she wove 4 threads, one a shield on Shalon (who is pretty strong) and 3 more to hoist 3 women into the air, and didn't even break a sweat! In contrast Nynaeve couldn't even lift 2 large men at the same time ...
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
One Power strength - critical analysis of previous posts and some further ideas
03/01/2010 07:59:24 AM
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I support your view, with maybe a few comments to add...
03/01/2010 02:58:05 PM
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where is this phantom quote of Egwene "not standing a chance"
03/01/2010 05:20:20 PM
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Here's the real quote
03/01/2010 05:38:59 PM
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Well that quote perfectly illustrates the skewed way in which you interpret the evidence...
03/01/2010 06:18:22 PM
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I also think the quote is specific
03/01/2010 06:34:38 PM
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Skill not Strength is the key that and the potential that another FS was with her
03/01/2010 06:51:46 PM
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Bah
03/01/2010 07:13:01 PM
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Who's arguing that?
03/01/2010 07:34:21 PM
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What ARE you arguing?
03/01/2010 07:43:06 PM
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That there is far more to strength in her quote!
03/01/2010 08:05:20 PM
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Re: That there is far more to strength in her quote!
04/01/2010 09:40:05 AM
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and where do I ever say Elayne is only a small step below Moghedien?
04/01/2010 03:08:37 PM
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You more than imply it with your own list
04/01/2010 03:39:06 PM
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and you are fixated on simple strength to the exclusion of everything else
04/01/2010 05:05:54 PM
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Re: and you are fixated on simple strength to the exclusion of everything else
04/01/2010 06:46:45 PM
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03/01/2010 06:46:12 PM
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Calm down, please...
03/01/2010 07:11:11 PM
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I'm not upset
03/01/2010 07:33:00 PM
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Tiny Unimportant Objection to "Bell Curve" Point
03/01/2010 03:09:55 PM
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Re: Tiny Unimportant Objection to "Bell Curve" Point
03/01/2010 04:39:25 PM
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I've got a slightly revised opinion than my last post
03/01/2010 05:16:39 PM
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Re: I've got a slightly revised opinion than my last post
03/01/2010 06:31:09 PM
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It's actually not that complicated ... simple math actually
03/01/2010 07:08:52 PM
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Yes, but to think that RJ put that much effort into it is improbable
03/01/2010 07:19:13 PM
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I'm being harsh with one poster who continues to mis-quote things!
03/01/2010 07:56:17 PM
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Re: I'm being harsh with one poster who continues to mis-quote things!
04/01/2010 09:50:38 AM
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Re: I'm being harsh with one poster who continues to mis-quote things!
04/01/2010 03:26:10 PM
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Re: I'm being harsh with one poster who continues to mis-quote things!
04/01/2010 03:52:19 PM
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You are talking out of both sides of your mouth
04/01/2010 05:09:15 PM
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Dude
04/01/2010 06:21:28 PM
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Dude, please go back to Fionwe's post
04/01/2010 06:35:03 PM
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A reply...
03/01/2010 06:02:33 PM
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The Tower sample is skewed allright, but to the upper side of the strength range...
03/01/2010 06:36:45 PM
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Re: A reply...
03/01/2010 07:09:55 PM
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I think distance is related to Strength
03/01/2010 07:21:46 PM
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amusing side note
04/01/2010 05:22:39 AM
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Which is exactly what I envisage the AOL distribution to have looked like...
04/01/2010 07:03:51 AM
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Re: Which is exactly what I envisage the AOL distribution to have looked like...
04/01/2010 03:29:47 PM
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It may sound silly, but did you look at One Power values in the Wheel of Time CCG?
05/01/2010 12:56:41 AM
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Re: It may sound silly, but did you look at One Power values in the Wheel of Time CCG?
05/01/2010 07:33:21 AM
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