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You need to re-read some of this stuff darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 23/12/2009 11:01:15 PM
A moment before Egwene was talking about the only sister STRONG enough to match one of the Forsaken, being Nynaeve, and she was not present in Salidar. So Egwene considers the next strongest sisters in the camp. And she tries to portray how many of them would be needed to replace Nynaeve's strength.

And then she makes the comment about herself, Romanda and Lelaine (the next strongest 3 sisters in the camp). No one else matches those three, now that Nynaeve is gone.

It is all about strength in that scene. You have to read the context.


First of all this is a totally different scene from when Egwene discusses linking with Romanda and Lelaine... talking about linking with Romanda and Lelaine is in a totally different chapter!

Go re-read it, the entire passage is NOT about strength at all ... strength is a passing comment that only Nynaeve could match one of the Frosaken, when she could channel at all!

In fact, strength is never overtly mentioned, only that Moghedien could kill Egwene without being noticed since there was so much Channeling in the camp! Egwene even alludes to the fact that Moghedien's skill is such that the AS may not have a clue that she was channeling (i.e. if she was reversing her weaves and masking her ability she could kill Egwene without Egwene even knowing she was there).

The scene is centered on Egwene worrying on how Moghedien escaped and how and what she would do next!

A Crown of Swords
The Figurehead

And what if she had still been here? she wondered. With the necklace off, and maybe whoever freed her? Shivering, she withdrew slowly. Moghedien had good reason to dislike her, very personally, and the only sister who could match one of the Forsaken alone, when she could channel at all, was in Ebou Dar. Moghedien could have killed Egwene without anyone noticing; even had a sister felt her channel, there would be nothing remarkable in that. Worse, Moghedien might not have killed her. And no one would have known anything until they found the pair of them gone.

It's clear that Egwene knows she is not as strong as Moghedien, but that's never been in question! On my scale above I have Moghedien clearly ahead of Egwene and clearly behind Nynaeve... what is your point of bringing this up?
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
This message last edited by darius_sedai on 24/12/2009 at 12:01:34 AM
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I've been playing with some numbers since we've been having all of these OP strength debates darius_sedai - 20/12/2009 06:34:05 PM 1262 Views
There are 21 levels, not 100. More later. *NM* fionwe1987 - 20/12/2009 07:23:18 PM 442 Views
RJ has said a number of times that the 21 level scale darius_sedai - 20/12/2009 07:35:25 PM 664 Views
Few glaring errors... Shannow - 20/12/2009 09:04:55 PM 847 Views
Re: Few glaring errors... darius_sedai - 21/12/2009 07:52:18 AM 819 Views
You don't get it, do you... Shannow - 21/12/2009 08:19:00 AM 750 Views
Didn't you claim that Eggy+Rom+Lel cannot match a male forsaken? Now they can match Lanfear? fionwe1987 - 21/12/2009 04:14:32 PM 639 Views
That only strengthens my point. Shannow - 21/12/2009 06:23:39 PM 685 Views
No it does not. fionwe1987 - 28/12/2009 02:45:42 AM 734 Views
What you are missing is that darius_sedai - 21/12/2009 06:46:04 PM 692 Views
I'm not missing it at all.. Shannow - 21/12/2009 06:58:04 PM 718 Views
Let's try matching that with the actual text darius_sedai - 22/12/2009 03:01:36 PM 696 Views
Not correct... Shannow - 22/12/2009 03:29:24 PM 785 Views
Believe as you like, I'm not here to convince you to otherwise, I'm stating how I read the evidence darius_sedai - 22/12/2009 06:01:24 PM 683 Views
You're reading the evidence wrong. Shannow - 22/12/2009 06:27:17 PM 665 Views
RJ also pointed out that Alivia's skill set as a weapon came in handy darius_sedai - 22/12/2009 07:40:35 PM 624 Views
I thought a power law distribution is much more likely, TBH redhand - 20/12/2009 09:39:21 PM 744 Views
Yes. It essentially refers to a skewed histogram - biased to the lower end of the range... Shannow - 20/12/2009 09:53:18 PM 783 Views
Corrections Shadowkiller - 21/12/2009 01:48:43 AM 798 Views
No... Shannow - 21/12/2009 07:47:58 AM 688 Views
True, the application of this model is inconsistent *NM* Shadowkiller - 21/12/2009 02:34:26 PM 569 Views
Not if you point out that the average AS is not as strong as the overall average channeler darius_sedai - 25/12/2009 04:30:17 AM 655 Views
yet RJ has said flat out that OP strength is on an Bell Curve. Meaning the majority of channelers darius_sedai - 21/12/2009 07:36:22 AM 670 Views
Perhaps... Phelix - 21/12/2009 07:52:13 AM 737 Views
I've always hated bell curves Ryan - 21/12/2009 03:56:26 PM 686 Views
The most logical answer is that the average AOL channeler was stronger than the current average... Shannow - 21/12/2009 06:36:07 PM 678 Views
and that in no way maps to any kind of Bell Curve darius_sedai - 22/12/2009 06:02:41 PM 562 Views
Why? Shannow - 22/12/2009 06:34:25 PM 692 Views
Can you provide the quote where RJ tells us the darius_sedai - 22/12/2009 07:45:04 PM 608 Views
Always go back to the evidence... Shannow - 22/12/2009 09:03:42 PM 767 Views
I'll respond when you can actually provide a few actual quotes to support any of this darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 03:20:44 PM 679 Views
Name an item you dispute and I will provide the quote.... Shannow - 23/12/2009 05:19:49 PM 651 Views
it's addressed below darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 05:23:58 PM 663 Views
I've been looking into this a bit... and you really do overstate things to suit your arguments darius_sedai - 24/12/2009 06:15:44 PM 699 Views
And in looking for quotes for another thread I came across this gem darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:54:34 PM 671 Views
Nice! It proves what I've been saying for ages... fionwe1987 - 29/12/2009 10:13:41 PM 699 Views
Which is why I contend that they are about 80% of Lanfear darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 10:16:07 PM 659 Views
I wasn't trying to rip him a new one. Phelix - 22/12/2009 09:38:43 PM 590 Views
I don't think we have a representative sample of the mode in this population RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/12/2009 08:35:23 PM 708 Views
Except that gateway size is used multiple times by characters to judge comparative strength... Shannow - 22/12/2009 09:21:07 PM 707 Views
Re: Except that gateway size is used multiple times by characters to judge comparative strength... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/12/2009 11:32:21 PM 801 Views
I agree that it's practically impossible to determine strength darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 03:19:49 PM 698 Views
How convenient. And by the way, it is NOT tied to a Talent. Anyone who is strong enough, can Travel. *NM* Shannow - 23/12/2009 04:36:24 PM 410 Views
Seriously go re-read the series, how can you have missed that Traveling is a Talent? darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 04:54:51 PM 600 Views
It is a weave, the knowledge of which guarantees that you can use it, if you are strong enough... Shannow - 23/12/2009 05:35:36 PM 683 Views
Yet every AS can Heal to a degree and Cloud Dancing involves weaves too darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 05:41:42 PM 720 Views
Lews Therin can't Heal. Aginor can't Heal. If you don't have the Talent, you can't do it. *NM* Shannow - 23/12/2009 05:52:02 PM 401 Views
LTT and Aginor have "Little Ability" with Healing darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:02:13 PM 724 Views
Because the channelers THEMSELVES don't use Healing to judge each other's strength... Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:06:58 PM 660 Views
The Channelers state that there is a minimum level of strength to make the Weave work darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:11:55 PM 818 Views
Beonin's Gateway darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:30:25 PM 668 Views
No, it makes her 25% as strong as Rand! Thanks for proving my model to be virtually perfect! Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:36:53 PM 638 Views
Nope, Beonin shouldn't be that strong! darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:48:30 PM 634 Views
This is true, however... lyringlas - 23/12/2009 04:55:48 PM 724 Views
Aviendha's gateway size doesn't decrease. She is just less energy efficient in creating it... Shannow - 23/12/2009 05:30:17 PM 961 Views
Aviendha is suffering from the second weave limitation darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 05:37:45 PM 756 Views
Conceded. My faulty memory is to blame in this case. But it doesn't change the rule... Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:01:33 PM 605 Views
I'll give you that there is a stength limitation to Traveling darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:06:41 PM 643 Views
Why do the characters in the books judge each other's strength on gateway size then? *NM* Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:08:17 PM 374 Views
Re: Why do the characters in the books judge each other's strength on gateway size then? darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:20:18 PM 670 Views
And there you have it...Thank you. Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:27:24 PM 654 Views
And linked with Romanda and Lelaine darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:34:42 PM 645 Views
Sorry. That's pure speculation on your part. *NM* Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:38:43 PM 385 Views
No more than yours is! darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:49:57 PM 686 Views
That entire passage is in the context of strength... Shannow - 23/12/2009 07:55:50 PM 590 Views
You need to re-read some of this stuff darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 11:01:15 PM 731 Views
Re: I don't think we have a representative sample of the mode in this population Abunderment - 26/12/2009 12:38:43 PM 663 Views
Re: I don't think we have a representative sample of the mode in this population *NM* Abunderment - 26/12/2009 12:41:01 PM 353 Views
Re: I don't think we have a representative sample of the mode in this population darius_sedai - 26/12/2009 06:37:50 PM 645 Views
Goodness Abunderment - 31/12/2009 03:37:23 AM 691 Views
I'm working within the context of what we've been told by the author darius_sedai - 31/12/2009 03:43:31 AM 637 Views
Since you love Wiki so much darius_sedai - 31/12/2009 03:55:09 AM 649 Views
No you are not Abunderment - 31/12/2009 03:58:28 AM 690 Views
Dude we're discussion works of fiction darius_sedai - 31/12/2009 04:08:12 AM 711 Views
Dumb Bell Distribution of Mongoloid Turings Abunderment - 31/12/2009 04:36:50 AM 765 Views
Back to school AS, and you will be able to do this Abunderment - 26/12/2009 12:34:39 PM 617 Views
The problem we're working with is that RJ says strength follows a Bell Curve distribution darius_sedai - 26/12/2009 03:29:26 PM 645 Views
And RJ knew his maths (and you don't) Abunderment - 31/12/2009 03:22:09 AM 692 Views
I'm not the one who said OP strength followed a Bell Curve Distribution darius_sedai - 31/12/2009 03:34:55 AM 643 Views
You are the one who is MIS-USING his statement Abunderment - 31/12/2009 03:44:26 AM 645 Views
darius_sedai - 31/12/2009 03:48:20 AM 950 Views
The pathos of Darius Abunderment - 31/12/2009 04:26:15 AM 670 Views
Is Lanfear the strongest?(now) knightmarea7x - 29/12/2009 12:46:13 AM 589 Views
Re: Is Lanfear the strongest?(now) darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:21:47 PM 656 Views
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