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Are you sure it's the same bell curve from the AoL? BlackAdder Send a noteboard - 18/12/2009 11:11:19 PM
What I'm saying is that Moiraine, a strong Aes Sedai, may not be above average for female channelers as a whole. She may very well be on the upward curve of the bell rather than near the top. A key point to consider is that before her time, there were three Aes Sedai near Cadsuane's strength level, and a few generations before that, we have to assume that there were more powerful Sisters above Cadsuane's level who died before she was born. Thus the White Tower truly is in a decline - perhaps at one point, when Aes Sedai were more respected and less political, it represented a diverse range of strengths, but it seems that as the years wore on and fewer girls sought out the Tower, they dropped below the female average.

I would say that Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha are right at the point where above average channelers start merging into stronger channelers but not much further beyond it - they are strong enough to always be considered powerful, but not exceptionally strong enough to be in the same class as the Forsaken.


I find it strange that out of 1000 Aes Sedai in the Tower, not a single one happened to be of average strength before the wondergirls arrived. HOWEVER, I am happy to accept that, because it proves my point that there is a big gap between Lanfear and modern Aes Sedai.

And depending on how far you take it, it will even suggest that Egwene is of average strength, if the Bell Curve refers to Age of Legends standards. In other words, Egwene is half as strong as Lanfear, and a strong Aes Sedai is 25% as strong as Lanfear. Which is perfectly consistent with the text, and makes the Bell Curve work perfectly as well.

The only strange part is that every single modern Aes Sedai is below average strength, but since we are using the same Bell Curve that they used in the Age of Legends, I am perfectly happy with that. It fits with the Forsaken's contempt at women who are so weak that they "should not be let outside without a keeper."

What you've quoted suggests that channeler strengths were much stronger in AoL. And we don't just have to take the Forsaken for their word. Even the Aes Sedai today would admit that fact.
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Accidental Post *NM* - 20/12/2009 07:11:09 PM 427 Views
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