Are you sure it's the same bell curve from the AoL?
BlackAdder Send a noteboard - 18/12/2009 11:11:19 PM
What I'm saying is that Moiraine, a strong Aes Sedai, may not be above average for female channelers as a whole. She may very well be on the upward curve of the bell rather than near the top. A key point to consider is that before her time, there were three Aes Sedai near Cadsuane's strength level, and a few generations before that, we have to assume that there were more powerful Sisters above Cadsuane's level who died before she was born. Thus the White Tower truly is in a decline - perhaps at one point, when Aes Sedai were more respected and less political, it represented a diverse range of strengths, but it seems that as the years wore on and fewer girls sought out the Tower, they dropped below the female average.
I would say that Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha are right at the point where above average channelers start merging into stronger channelers but not much further beyond it - they are strong enough to always be considered powerful, but not exceptionally strong enough to be in the same class as the Forsaken.
I would say that Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha are right at the point where above average channelers start merging into stronger channelers but not much further beyond it - they are strong enough to always be considered powerful, but not exceptionally strong enough to be in the same class as the Forsaken.
I find it strange that out of 1000 Aes Sedai in the Tower, not a single one happened to be of average strength before the wondergirls arrived. HOWEVER, I am happy to accept that, because it proves my point that there is a big gap between Lanfear and modern Aes Sedai.
And depending on how far you take it, it will even suggest that Egwene is of average strength, if the Bell Curve refers to Age of Legends standards. In other words, Egwene is half as strong as Lanfear, and a strong Aes Sedai is 25% as strong as Lanfear. Which is perfectly consistent with the text, and makes the Bell Curve work perfectly as well.
The only strange part is that every single modern Aes Sedai is below average strength, but since we are using the same Bell Curve that they used in the Age of Legends, I am perfectly happy with that. It fits with the Forsaken's contempt at women who are so weak that they "should not be let outside without a keeper."
What you've quoted suggests that channeler strengths were much stronger in AoL. And we don't just have to take the Forsaken for their word. Even the Aes Sedai today would admit that fact.
The One Power Bell Curve: Proof that it is not centered on 50% of the strongest channeler's strength
18/12/2009 08:37:55 AM
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I always thought the curve was one sided
18/12/2009 01:17:32 PM
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The Curve only refers to the channeling population, not to non-channelers.
18/12/2009 01:56:25 PM
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I would say that your sample is flawed.
18/12/2009 05:02:02 PM
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It doesn't matter...
18/12/2009 10:02:38 PM
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But, it sort of does.
18/12/2009 10:43:08 PM
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So you're saying that no modern Aes Sedai are even of average strength?
18/12/2009 10:51:01 PM
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Are you sure it's the same bell curve from the AoL?
18/12/2009 11:11:19 PM
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The Tower is restricted to the middle...
18/12/2009 05:35:03 PM
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Two things...
18/12/2009 09:28:25 PM
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The culling theory...
18/12/2009 09:36:34 PM
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The culling theory applies to the ENTIRE population, not just Aes Sedai...
18/12/2009 09:42:31 PM
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Several more things...
18/12/2009 11:26:19 PM
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You don't understand your own model...
18/12/2009 11:38:05 PM
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So RJ was wrong about Bell Curve distribution?
19/12/2009 06:03:24 PM
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So, Aviendha trumps RJ? A woman who, as late as tGS, doesn't know what she's doing with the OP?
19/12/2009 06:12:42 PM
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Age-Related Sample Bias
18/12/2009 06:41:03 PM
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I have no problem with that...but it implies that the average woman today isn't at 50% of Lanfear...
18/12/2009 09:46:00 PM
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Partially agreed...
18/12/2009 10:13:46 PM
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Well, the Aes Sedai are the only group that we have detailed strength info about...
18/12/2009 10:26:48 PM
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Sharina is AS ... she'd be dead in a few years if she hadn't gone to the Tower *NM*
28/12/2009 01:08:20 AM
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A thought that occured to me, and I'd like your opinion...
18/12/2009 07:38:29 PM
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Is it just my bad memory or is one of the wondergirls not a sparker?
18/12/2009 10:12:59 PM
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Easier sulution, and real example.
18/12/2009 10:03:20 PM
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And that is indeed the solution I feel most comfortable with...
18/12/2009 10:08:40 PM
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Re: And that is indeed the solution I feel most comfortable with...
19/12/2009 11:39:31 AM
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Dude, Seriously?
18/12/2009 10:19:25 PM
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Indeed, and that's why I propose that...
18/12/2009 10:31:23 PM
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So RJ used two separate scales, one actual one relative, to explain the same thing?
18/12/2009 11:33:20 PM
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Yes, "Bell Curve" does not mean Gausian. Or normal distribution.
19/12/2009 11:24:10 PM
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I'm sorry, but I've never heard of a non-Gaussian bell curve. Can you prove its existence? *NM*
20/12/2009 03:24:22 AM
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Maybe people in my field just use the term in a non-technical way. We do things with ...
21/12/2009 07:24:43 PM
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That's because outliers in IQ tests are excluded form the curve. *NM*
18/12/2009 11:31:23 PM
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Re: The One Power Bell Curve: Proof that it is not centered on 50% of the strongest channeler's stre
19/12/2009 06:02:34 PM
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Mathmatically this is very close to the system I proposed in another thread
27/12/2009 01:23:51 AM
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Re: The One Power Bell Curve:
27/12/2009 10:05:33 PM
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What makes you think Alviarin is "middling"?
27/12/2009 10:28:13 PM
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