Kisman's pov shows Demandred has been involved in the BT
Light in the Night Send a noteboard - 17/12/2009 06:01:49 AM
Everyone in Randland writes off Murandy as being unimportant. Most of the readers are doing the same thing. Roedran is mentioned in passing (but several times).
I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Demandred is Roedran, but that doesn't mean he's not doing something with the Asha'man too.
I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Demandred is Roedran, but that doesn't mean he's not doing something with the Asha'man too.
The clues we have rather indicate that Taim reports to Moridin, but is otherwise an independent recruiter and trainer for the Shadow, e.g. Moridin's colors at the BT or the fact that Demandred didn't think it was possible that Flinn is an Asha'man.
Plus, I don't see Taim and Demandred working together or Taim groveling before Demandred, because both have too big egos and are apparently similarly strong.
from WH chapter 22:
"Kill him," the M'Hael had ordered before sending them to Cairhien, but he had been as displeased that they were found out as that they had failed. Far Madding was to be their last chance; he had made that as plain as polished brass. Dashiva had simply vanished. Kisman did not know whether he had run or the M'Hael had killed him, and he did not care.
"Kill him," Demandred had commanded later, but he had added that it would be better they died than let themselves be discovered again. By anyone, even the M'Hael, as if he did not know of Taim's order.
And later still, Moridin had said, "Kill him if you must, but above all, bring everything in his possession to me. That will redeem your previous transgressions." The man said he was one of the Chosen, and no one was mad enough to make that claim unless it was true, yet he seemed to think al'Thor's belongings more important than his death, the killing incidental and not really necessary.
Those two were the only Chosen Kisman had met, but they made his head hurt. They were worse than Cairhienin. He suspected that what they left unsaid could kill a man quicker than a signed order from a High Lord. Well, once Torval and Gedwyn arrived, they could work out—
So, we have direct evidence that Demandred was indeed giving orders to Asha'man, and by him saying to not get caught again, shows that he had given them orders before this. It also appears that Kisman thought Taim was getting his orders from Demandred, (probably because he is a well known Forsaken), and, Kisman is obviously dumbfounded that Demandred doesn't know about Taim's same order to kill Rand.
It's also clear that Kisman had never met Moridin before this event, (nor did he know he was a Forsaken), so he also wouldn't know that Moridin was Nae'blis, and therefore preeminent of all the Chosen.
I agree Taim is most likely under Moridin's thumb, but it does make you wonder why Demandred was ordering around Kisman, Rochaid, Torval and Gedwyn, who, by all accounts, were some of Taim's top cronies.
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This message last edited by Light in the Night on 17/12/2009 at 06:03:02 AM
The legend of Murandy's unimportance
15/12/2009 03:02:16 PM
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But it's still a small country
15/12/2009 03:06:24 PM
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Again, Murandy might be a bit smaller
15/12/2009 03:10:11 PM
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Re: Again, Murandy might be a bit smaller
15/12/2009 04:44:22 PM
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The Dragonsworn made chaos in half of the Westlands.
15/12/2009 04:55:00 PM
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Agreed, only Sammael, Rhavin and Be'lal really laid claim to nations
15/12/2009 07:12:17 PM
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I'm just not convinced that this would be a coup major enough to earn Demandred DO Kudos.
15/12/2009 03:06:54 PM
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As said, controlling Murandy plus chaos by the Dragonsworn in 6 Westland nations. *NM*
15/12/2009 03:11:25 PM
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I was pretty sure that the Dragonsworn as a fighting force were destroyed.
15/12/2009 04:07:38 PM
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But the Dragonsworn caused much chaos everywhere they were through the series...
15/12/2009 04:28:42 PM
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But that's not the Shadow's aim.
15/12/2009 06:32:38 PM
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What if the only way to free the DO involves the world lacking the order necessary to contain him?
15/12/2009 11:59:47 PM
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I have always said that Demandred is loosely based on Hannibal Barca...
15/12/2009 04:29:22 PM
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Those a pretty flimsy conformities, IMO...
15/12/2009 04:53:04 PM
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Of course..
15/12/2009 05:06:04 PM
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The Seanchan have elephants too ... S'redit I think they call them
16/12/2009 12:04:40 AM
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Re: I'm just not convinced that this would be a coup major enough to earn Demandred DO Kudos.
15/12/2009 08:15:05 PM
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Re: I'm just not convinced that this would be a coup major enough to earn Demandred DO Kudos.
15/12/2009 08:28:02 PM
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But this has been going on since at least aCoS
16/12/2009 12:07:08 AM
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Re: But this has been going on since at least aCoS
16/12/2009 03:01:00 PM
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well, it's not like the Forsaken have been particularly impressive thus far
16/12/2009 06:51:38 PM
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Why does Demandred say: "We" will be ready? Why not "I" will be ready?
15/12/2009 04:06:42 PM
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Re: Why does Demandred say: "We" will be ready? Why not "I" will be ready?
15/12/2009 07:59:16 PM
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It is insignificant.
15/12/2009 10:49:20 PM
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It's importance lies in it's strategic location.
16/12/2009 04:46:20 AM
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I think some Murandians might mention Trollocs gathering there.
16/12/2009 07:05:29 AM
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what if they're wearing dresses and lady masks? *NM*
16/12/2009 09:10:57 AM
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Do the ladies in Murandy wear masks? I don't recall.
16/12/2009 09:24:46 AM
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Moridin is gathering the Trollocs in the Blight, as we learn in TGS!
16/12/2009 12:13:38 PM
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A Murandian army is insignificant.
16/12/2009 07:59:54 PM
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For example, the Great Captain Bryne doesn't agree with you...
16/12/2009 08:25:19 PM
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He doesn't?
16/12/2009 11:37:34 PM
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Like the supposed unimportance of Murandy, it's a typical misunderstanding...
17/12/2009 11:56:16 AM
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Re: A Murandian army is insignificant.
16/12/2009 08:27:28 PM
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Surely you jest.
16/12/2009 11:39:23 PM
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I agree mostly. It's a common RJ theme
16/12/2009 07:42:39 AM
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In my view...
16/12/2009 12:10:20 PM
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Kisman's pov shows Demandred has been involved in the BT
17/12/2009 06:01:49 AM
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I think...
17/12/2009 12:07:05 PM
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Interesting.
17/12/2009 05:41:20 PM
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Aran'gar playing Demandred...
17/12/2009 06:23:23 PM
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Ah, right that order is certainly out of character with Demandred. *NM*
17/12/2009 06:40:32 PM
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