The Dark One had nothing to do with most of that. Read the damn books already.
Cannoli Send a noteboard - 16/12/2009 11:57:00 AM
It seems whenever someone brings up the "Dumb Evil" problem, someone else refutes it with some version of the old "The Dark One intended this all along," excuse.
Or at least read what I am saying. I said he doesn't give a shit if the FORSAKEN lose. He's probably powerful enough to squash Rand like a gnat. It will not be an arm-wrestling contest between the two of them, whatever form Tarmon Gaidon takes. I never said he wanted to lose, I am saying that he does not necessarily take what would seem to us to the be the most obvious or profitable path to victory, and it does not make him dumb, because we have no clue what he is after.
So let's go through a quick list.
I guess the Dark One wanted Rand to resists Ishamael's temptations and kill Aginor and Balthamel in the Eye of the World (Don't ask me why he reincarnated them then.)
I guess that you need to show the slightest clue that he intended that to happen or was capable of lifting a finger to prevent it. Or maybe you could, you know, READ EotW where Moiraine complains that the Dark One should not be able to do everything they learn of Ba'alzamon's doing, because if he was able to touch the world that much, they should all be dead already. Plainly the Dark One was sealed away (especially since we KNOW six of the seven seals were holding at the time), and had nothing to do with what happened there. And since RJ himself stated that Aginor wanted the Eye of the World so he would have power that he could conceal from the Dark One, their actions there were not the Dark One's plan. I guess the Dark One wanted Rand to resists Ishamael's temptations and kill Aginor and Balthamel in the Eye of the World (Don't ask me why he reincarnated them then.)
The Dark One wanted the good guys to find the Horn of Valere in Book 2.
Drat! You're RIGHT. He was foiled in this wish, because they found it in Book 1. Anyway, why would the Lord of the Grave give a damn about a bunch of ghosts? The Dark One wanted Rand to capture the Stone of Tear in Book 3.
Like with the Horn of Valere, there is no evidence that he cared about any of this or planned a defense or preventive response. He REALLY wanted Rand to be named He Who Comes With The Dawn, capture Asmodean and acquire the Choedan Kal in Book 4.
Given that Rand came close to blowing up the world with it, maybe. Rand got rid of the Choedan Kal in tGS, so plainly acquiring it was only a great victory for those "power is everything" readers trying to live vicariously through him.He had planned for Rand to kill Rahvin in Book 5.
And in book 6 he complained about his inability to do anything about it. The Dark One absolutely wanted the Light to acquire the Bowl of Winds, Heal the weather and kill Sammael in Books 7 and 8.
Since his Nae'blis helped with that last, DUH! As for the other things, Moridin himself said that the Dark One had to exert a lot of effort to change the weather as much as he had. Obviously there are severe limits to his power and what he can do in the world even at this late date.And oh yes, most of all, the Dark One was delighted when Rand cleansed saidin in Book 9.
And like me in my game, he was trapped on the other side of the figurative river with no way to stop his enemies from doing what they want.Let's see, where are we now? I guess the Dark One wanted nothing to happen in Book 10, because that's indeed what transpired, and according to some, everything happens in accordance with the Dark One's plans. So when he plans for nothing to happen, then voila, nothing happens for a whole book.
Now based on the above trend, it wasn't really surprising when a host of theorists jumped on the band wagon and immediately professed that the Dark One wanted Rand to kill Semirhage and Graendal in Book 11.
I'm just saying he didn't give a damn about them. If they could get stuff done, and further his agenda, great. It was amusing to watch them do their things to captives, but in the big picture, they're not all that important. Now based on the above trend, it wasn't really surprising when a host of theorists jumped on the band wagon and immediately professed that the Dark One wanted Rand to kill Semirhage and Graendal in Book 11.
I'm no Nostradamus,
I had guessedbut if all of the above is true, then I'm pretty sure he's really gonna want Rand to reseal him into his prison in Book 14 as well.
The fact is, RJ cannot write villains effectively. It is a glaring weakness of his series.
The fact is, RJ cannot write villains effectively. It is a glaring weakness of his series.
No, the fact is, he writes them extremely realistically, and does not cater to the expectations of readers unable to appreciate subtleties and in need of instant gratification.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
Moridin - a lousy Nae'blis?
- 11/12/2009 03:33:13 PM
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Moridin sucks.
- 11/12/2009 05:07:46 PM
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*NM*
Unless all of this is what he aims at.
- 11/12/2009 05:08:33 PM
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Ah, the old "The Dark One lost on purpose" excuse...
- 11/12/2009 08:09:12 PM
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The Dark One had nothing to do with most of that. Read the damn books already.
- 16/12/2009 11:57:00 AM
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What Game was that?
- 12/12/2009 05:01:39 AM
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Company of Heroes. Opposing Fronts expansion pack. Achelous River skirmish game map. *NM*
- 16/12/2009 11:57:54 AM
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logic and reason go by the wayside when the main characters need to succeed
- 12/12/2009 03:38:31 AM
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