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Agreed, you also need a working brain. Where did Verin's go? Datakim Send a noteboard - 12/12/2009 12:54:17 AM
You know, Kings, Queens, Emperors have had motivation to seek the Fountain of Youth, and many did desperated seeked it. That does not mean anyone who failed is being an idiot.


False analogy. The Fountain of Youth does not exist while a way out of the oath rod with stilling did.

If the Fountain of Youth was real and just located in some remote location that anyone competent and clever should have easily discovered with a bit of logic and a bit of study then yes, that does mean that anyone who failed to find it would indeed be an idiot.


Given today's technology, we say Human Growth Hormone can work to a certain degree, and it is available from urine of very young children. And it had been used as folk remedy for a long time, so there are hints. Does that mean those alchemists, which includes Sir Isaac Newton, who failed to discover and concentrate it are being idiots?


Once more, not a fitting analogy. Isaac Newton did not have the necesary background of science available to make this possible. No matter how smart, he could never have been successfull in this since the technology/science was not available to him.

A closer fit to this would be expecting Verin to have discovered weaves for traveling or something in the start of the series with no clues or supporting knowledge. I obviously don't blame her for failing to do that.

That however is not even remotely close to the case with Verin and the Oath Rod.


And the idea of torturing sisters to test her theory. I mean, wasn't that what the Nazi doctors were accused of doing, and being a war crime? Why don't we experiment on death row inmates, freezing them and then dethaw them to see what happens? Can we realy perserve someone for 1000 years by deep freezing them? To gain knowledge through inmoral human experiments would probably make Verin a true member of the Black Ajah, and make her unwilling to go to the Light.

If she did that, shouldn't she remain a BA, so she can gain more knowledge by doing more experiemnts on regular folks, like finding out how long a person can live with all his blood drained?


I think we know that Verin already did some pretty nasty things. Compulsion which is essentially a form of mind rape for example is seen by many AS as worse than torture. If stilling some hostile BA got her answers, I would say that Verin would have done it if it got her what she needed. Just because Verin ultimately served the light does not mean that she was a fluffy AS full of happy sparkling candy.
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I finished tGS last night... and really had to come back to you all. Phelix - 09/12/2009 02:11:05 AM 1555 Views
You bring up some good points BlackAdder - 09/12/2009 03:20:37 AM 1044 Views
What if Verin really WAS Black? Lord Haart - 09/12/2009 03:32:07 PM 853 Views
Pretty much agree with you. Great Lord of Chaos - 09/12/2009 03:21:08 AM 818 Views
Hey, long time no see. Glad you're back! *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2009 03:28:50 AM 421 Views
Good to see you too, F-T. *NM* Phelix - 17/12/2009 09:58:26 PM 306 Views
Silly Verin! She did not need to die. Datakim - 09/12/2009 03:53:23 AM 929 Views
Re: Silly Verin! She did not need to die. TheUltimateReality - 09/12/2009 06:11:02 AM 817 Views
And does she know that Stilling breaks the Oaths? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2009 06:16:54 AM 356 Views
She should. Some of the Aes Sedai who swore to Rand had been Stilled and then Restored by Flinn. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:18:10 PM 783 Views
Then, wouldn't the BA/Shadow just kill her off? I think it'd be kind of obvious what she did. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 09/12/2009 03:23:05 PM 504 Views
I think that's beyond the BA's capabilities. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:48:03 PM 673 Views
Doesn't mean they experimented with it. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2009 08:48:23 PM 723 Views
Rebels had no reason to research a way to break the oaths. Verin did. Datakim - 10/12/2009 02:00:21 AM 759 Views
You're going at it upside-down. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2009 02:33:41 AM 732 Views
Verin should have figured it out Datakim - 10/12/2009 03:03:14 AM 716 Views
Why? Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2009 04:15:45 AM 711 Views
I was just rereading that section yesterday.... Light in the Night - 10/12/2009 10:52:23 AM 894 Views
It all seems intuitively obvious to me! Datakim - 10/12/2009 07:58:46 PM 856 Views
Will you please look at your argument? Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2009 09:40:42 PM 776 Views
Re: It all seems intuitively obvious to me! Light in the Night - 11/12/2009 07:38:17 AM 778 Views
The damn Oath Rod! Datakim - 12/12/2009 01:32:47 AM 915 Views
Just having motivation is not enough redhand - 11/12/2009 03:52:40 PM 804 Views
Agreed, you also need a working brain. Where did Verin's go? Datakim - 12/12/2009 12:54:17 AM 617 Views
I don't think those would work rAndy aL - 09/12/2009 07:03:38 AM 745 Views
She should and could have found a better way. Datakim - 09/12/2009 07:41:28 AM 754 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:16:27 PM 642 Views
Re: She should and could have found a better way. rAndy aL - 10/12/2009 12:13:40 AM 744 Views
Re: She should and could have found a better way. Datakim - 10/12/2009 02:30:14 AM 712 Views
Re: Silly Verin! She did not need to die. Gerbeaud - 09/12/2009 08:44:31 PM 818 Views
There is also this small problem of Tower Law redhand - 10/12/2009 08:24:55 AM 601 Views
I always thought Masema was an irritating distraction and was glad he was killed quickly. Tom - 09/12/2009 03:53:44 AM 781 Views
Yes, Masema was a bore. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:13:40 PM 782 Views
Re: I always thought Masema was an irritating distraction and was glad he was killed quickly. @my - 09/12/2009 04:21:35 PM 944 Views
Agreed. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 09/12/2009 09:25:02 PM 399 Views
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Hey Mark. Phelix - 17/12/2009 10:00:58 PM 747 Views
Great to see you again! vandevere - 09/12/2009 05:01:01 AM 923 Views
Yep, and Sheriam ended up losing a finger or two in the process. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:49:45 PM 744 Views
Why do you think we'll never see Mesaana closure? *NM* lord-of-shadow - 09/12/2009 06:07:08 AM 490 Views
Re: Why do you think we'll never see Mesaana closure? TheUltimateReality - 09/12/2009 06:13:22 AM 691 Views
It's great to see you around again! Seriana Sedai - 09/12/2009 07:06:45 AM 782 Views
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Good to see you too. Phelix - 17/12/2009 10:01:57 PM 714 Views
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